I like this better than the other idea of the academy as well.
Now are the even Trek movies supposed to be the bad ones, or are the odd ones supposed to stink? I can’t remember . . . help me out here.
Comment by B. Minich — Wednesday, August 9, 2024 @ 10:04 am
Granted, I’m really rusty on my Trek, but I thought I recalled McCoy being on board during the “official” pilot.
Now, if you’re talking about the original pilot, then that was pre-Kirk and pre-McCoy. Christopher Pike was the original Captain in the original pilot that got chopped up later and used for the two parter Menagere, which I know I just spelled wrong.
In fact McCoy was not in “Where No Man Has Gone Before” — the second pilot which featured Kirk as captain. Scotty, Sulu (but not as helmsman), Spock and Kirk were in that one, but not McCoy, Uhura or Chekhov (who didn’t appear until the 2nd season).
Although I supposed that they could have been somewhere on the ship at the time.
Also, Spock wasn’t first officer, Gary Mitchell was.
See: I’m a true Trek geek. And did all off the top of my head!
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Wednesday, August 9, 2024 @ 11:11 am
Dr. Taylor is right on all counts. Although Mc Coy (and Uhura) did appear on the first two Trek shows broadcast, they didnt appear in the pilot (which was shown 3rd). There are quite a few differences between the rest of the show and this second pilot, but in the end I bet that Abrams will not confuse mainstream audiences with that level of minutae. If the film is indeed set on the Enterprise I think we will see our Dr. Mc Coy. The discrepency can be explained away in a dozen ways (Mc Coy was out shopping during the pilot for example)
Comment by Tony P — Wednesday, August 9, 2024 @ 12:14 pm
I’d forgotten about Gary.
But I do remember that Chehkov didn’t come until 2nd season because that caused a whole problem with Khan remembering him in the movie.
I am fairly certain that Mitchell outranked Spock in that episode.
I’d have to go back and watch it to make sure–although you may be correct.
I may be confusing the fact that Number One was the first office in “The Cage”.
For what it is worth, Memory Alpha (http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Gary_Mitchell) and Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Mitchell_(Starfleet)) note that it is “speculated” the Mitchell was the First Officer, so it may not be clear in the episode.
Some of the novels have Mitchell as First Officer, which may be where the notion comes from. Still, I was thinking that there was some indication in the episode itself.
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Sunday, August 13, 2024 @ 11:46 am
I always thought Gary out ranked Spock, because he had gone through the academy with Kirk, but Kirk was promoted to Captain before Gary (which would make him a Commander by rank). And Spock was a LT. Commander the first season of Classic Trek.
Comment by Phoenicianknight — Thursday, December 28, 2024 @ 10:34 pm
I like this better than the other idea of the academy as well.
Now are the even Trek movies supposed to be the bad ones, or are the odd ones supposed to stink? I can’t remember . . . help me out here.
Comment by B. Minich — Wednesday, August 9, 2024 @ 10:04 am
Granted, I’m really rusty on my Trek, but I thought I recalled McCoy being on board during the “official” pilot.
Now, if you’re talking about the original pilot, then that was pre-Kirk and pre-McCoy. Christopher Pike was the original Captain in the original pilot that got chopped up later and used for the two parter Menagere, which I know I just spelled wrong.
Comment by N. Mallory — Wednesday, August 9, 2024 @ 11:01 am
In fact McCoy was not in “Where No Man Has Gone Before” — the second pilot which featured Kirk as captain. Scotty, Sulu (but not as helmsman), Spock and Kirk were in that one, but not McCoy, Uhura or Chekhov (who didn’t appear until the 2nd season).
Although I supposed that they could have been somewhere on the ship at the time.
Also, Spock wasn’t first officer, Gary Mitchell was.
See: I’m a true Trek geek. And did all off the top of my head!
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Wednesday, August 9, 2024 @ 11:11 am
Dr. Taylor is right on all counts. Although Mc Coy (and Uhura) did appear on the first two Trek shows broadcast, they didnt appear in the pilot (which was shown 3rd). There are quite a few differences between the rest of the show and this second pilot, but in the end I bet that Abrams will not confuse mainstream audiences with that level of minutae. If the film is indeed set on the Enterprise I think we will see our Dr. Mc Coy. The discrepency can be explained away in a dozen ways (Mc Coy was out shopping during the pilot for example)
Comment by Tony P — Wednesday, August 9, 2024 @ 12:14 pm
I’d forgotten about Gary.
But I do remember that Chehkov didn’t come until 2nd season because that caused a whole problem with Khan remembering him in the movie.
Comment by N. Mallory — Wednesday, August 9, 2024 @ 2:33 pm
IN re: McCoy, one way to explain it is to simply make him part of the medical staff and not Chief Surgeon.
And yep in re: Khan. I guess Pavel was working in the lower decks in season one
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Wednesday, August 9, 2024 @ 4:17 pm
Ben Affleck will be playing the part of Mr. Spock
Comment by PT — Wednesday, August 9, 2024 @ 4:58 pm
Hermano: that is one frighening thought.
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Wednesday, August 9, 2024 @ 5:08 pm
Also, Spock wasn’t first officer, Gary Mitchell was.
Gary Mitchell was helm officer. Spock was always the first officer aboard Captain Kirk’s Enterprise.
TRexx @ VRRRM.com
Comment by TRexx VRRRM — Sunday, August 13, 2024 @ 10:58 am
I am fairly certain that Mitchell outranked Spock in that episode.
I’d have to go back and watch it to make sure–although you may be correct.
I may be confusing the fact that Number One was the first office in “The Cage”.
For what it is worth, Memory Alpha (http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Gary_Mitchell) and Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Mitchell_(Starfleet)) note that it is “speculated” the Mitchell was the First Officer, so it may not be clear in the episode.
Some of the novels have Mitchell as First Officer, which may be where the notion comes from. Still, I was thinking that there was some indication in the episode itself.
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Sunday, August 13, 2024 @ 11:46 am
I always thought Gary out ranked Spock, because he had gone through the academy with Kirk, but Kirk was promoted to Captain before Gary (which would make him a Commander by rank). And Spock was a LT. Commander the first season of Classic Trek.
Comment by Phoenicianknight — Thursday, December 28, 2024 @ 10:34 pm