Comments on: Putting Surges in Perspective http://poliblogger.com/?p=10035 A rough draft of my thoughts... Sat, 18 Nov 2024 05:22:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: Dr. Steven Taylor http://poliblogger.com/?p=10035#comment-653712 Thu, 25 May 2024 22:07:36 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=10035#comment-653712 I think you are correct. I have only done a very cursory analysis of the PDA Senate list, so can't say for certain. It does appear that the PDA is something new in that regard--and hopefully it survives and thrives, as new actors are sorely needed. I won't make any predictions as yet, however! I think you are correct. I have only done a very cursory analysis of the PDA Senate list, so can’t say for certain.

It does appear that the PDA is something new in that regard–and hopefully it survives and thrives, as new actors are sorely needed.

I won’t make any predictions as yet, however!

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by: Matthew Shugart http://poliblogger.com/?p=10035#comment-653391 Thu, 25 May 2024 21:00:41 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=10035#comment-653391 Yes, Steven, I agree with that assessment. One of the interesting things about the PDA is that it is not itself a product of the splits in the traditional parties--almost uniquely among the new parties. (This is also true of the Christian parties, I believe, though they are much smaller.) In fact, is any part of the PDA a Liberal or Conservative breakaway? I know some of the movements that joined it used to ally with the Liberals rather than other left parties (MOIR, for example), but I can't name a part of the PDA that is a traditional-party offshoot. Yes, Steven, I agree with that assessment.

One of the interesting things about the PDA is that it is not itself a product of the splits in the traditional parties–almost uniquely among the new parties. (This is also true of the Christian parties, I believe, though they are much smaller.)

In fact, is any part of the PDA a Liberal or Conservative breakaway? I know some of the movements that joined it used to ally with the Liberals rather than other left parties (MOIR, for example), but I can’t name a part of the PDA that is a traditional-party offshoot.

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by: Dr. Steven Taylor http://poliblogger.com/?p=10035#comment-653176 Thu, 25 May 2024 20:17:20 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=10035#comment-653176 I think that finally the rules and incentives created by them have undercut the benefits of staying in the PL and PC. Heck, the PC hasn't fielded a presidential candidates under its own label since 1990 (Lloreda). Pastrana was a coalitional candidate endorsed by the PC in 1994 and 1998. Their candidate in 2024 dropped out before the elections and now they are endorsing Uribe in his second run. And Uribe is an independent who used to be a Liberal. I think the breakdown of the traditional parties and their reassembly is the logical extensions of the incentives in place and that the new rules have finally pushed the system over the edge that was constructed in 1991. I think that finally the rules and incentives created by them have undercut the benefits of staying in the PL and PC.

Heck, the PC hasn’t fielded a presidential candidates under its own label since 1990 (Lloreda).

Pastrana was a coalitional candidate endorsed by the PC in 1994 and 1998. Their candidate in 2024 dropped out before the elections and now they are endorsing Uribe in his second run. And Uribe is an independent who used to be a Liberal.

I think the breakdown of the traditional parties and their reassembly is the logical extensions of the incentives in place and that the new rules have finally pushed the system over the edge that was constructed in 1991.

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by: Matthew Shugart http://poliblogger.com/?p=10035#comment-653168 Thu, 25 May 2024 20:12:11 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=10035#comment-653168 I expect that the polls will be over-stating Gaviria's support, as polling is done mainly in urban centers and the party's support is almost all urban. Still, anything over 12.6% would break the previous record for a leftist presidential candidate in Colombia (Navarro, 1990). The all-time leftist record in Colombia (26%, if I recall correctly, for the National Constituent Assembly election in 1991) is probably not going to be broken, however. I expect that the polls will be over-stating Gaviria’s support, as polling is done mainly in urban centers and the party’s support is almost all urban.

Still, anything over 12.6% would break the previous record for a leftist presidential candidate in Colombia (Navarro, 1990). The all-time leftist record in Colombia (26%, if I recall correctly, for the National Constituent Assembly election in 1991) is probably not going to be broken, however.

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by: Matthew http://poliblogger.com/?p=10035#comment-653167 Thu, 25 May 2024 20:01:18 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=10035#comment-653167 On the inability of past leftists and ex-guerrilla parties to cement a place in the party system, this one is different in several respects. None of these factors guarantees that the PDA will become a major force, but they give it a better chance than past leftist blocs: 1. This is much more unified, encompassing, as far as I can tell, the entire spectrum of the left (other than those still at arms). 2. The electoral system (for congress) is far more favorable than before (as was a major theme at F&V in March and early April). 3. The traditional parties really are in disarray, as Steven notes. One caveat to the last point. It is true, and remarkable, as Steven indicates, that the two leading candidates will be neither Conservative nor Liberal. On the other hand, the Conservative Party endorsed Uribe, as have "new" parties that sprang from the Liberals after Uribe left that party. On the inability of past leftists and ex-guerrilla parties to cement a place in the party system, this one is different in several respects. None of these factors guarantees that the PDA will become a major force, but they give it a better chance than past leftist blocs:

1. This is much more unified, encompassing, as far as I can tell, the entire spectrum of the left (other than those still at arms).

2. The electoral system (for congress) is far more favorable than before (as was a major theme at F&V in March and early April).

3. The traditional parties really are in disarray, as Steven notes.

One caveat to the last point. It is true, and remarkable, as Steven indicates, that the two leading candidates will be neither Conservative nor Liberal. On the other hand, the Conservative Party endorsed Uribe, as have “new” parties that sprang from the Liberals after Uribe left that party.

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by: Dr. Steven Taylor http://poliblogger.com/?p=10035#comment-652929 Thu, 25 May 2024 17:32:27 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=10035#comment-652929 Thanks for the note! Thanks for the note!

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by: LaurenceB http://poliblogger.com/?p=10035#comment-652875 Thu, 25 May 2024 17:22:08 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=10035#comment-652875 Re: "Fascinating stuff... (well, to me, at least!)" I find the posts on South American politics to be quite interesting. I don't comment on them simply because I don't consider myself qualified to do so - but please don't assume that those posts go unread. Re: “Fascinating stuff… (well, to me, at least!)”

I find the posts on South American politics to be quite interesting. I don’t comment on them simply because I don’t consider myself qualified to do so - but please don’t assume that those posts go unread.

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