Comments on: Edwards Seeks Overhaul of Primary Education http://poliblogger.com/?p=12562 A rough draft of my thoughts... Thu, 04 Oct 2024 08:01:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: Captain D. http://poliblogger.com/?p=12562#comment-1364720 Tue, 25 Sep 2024 18:29:59 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=12562#comment-1364720 It is also not appropriate to make generalized claims about what is and is not disappearing in American schools, particularly in comparison to Europe. As Dr. Taylor pointed out, these are small countries compared to ours, and some of them do better at education than others; likewise, in the US, some states do better than others, and within states, some districts do better than others. There is tremendous variation in the US when it comes to education so a sweeping assertion like that has problems. NCLB and the Edwards proposal - like all federal K-12 initiatives - are an attempt to level out that variation, which is seen by some as a bad thing. Unfortunately these initiatives usually fail to take into account the reasons for variation from district to district, and try to treat the symptoms without looking at the disease. What's worse, it treats them all the same way, when the problems that afflict one district or state and cause it to perform poorly can be very different from the causes of problems in another. Federal bureacracy only puts in place rules that are further removed from the local causes for underperformance. Also, in a nation the size of the US, I think we have to concede that there will always be some areas that will perform better than others. It is also not appropriate to make generalized claims about what is and is not disappearing in American schools, particularly in comparison to Europe. As Dr. Taylor pointed out, these are small countries compared to ours, and some of them do better at education than others; likewise, in the US, some states do better than others, and within states, some districts do better than others. There is tremendous variation in the US when it comes to education so a sweeping assertion like that has problems.

NCLB and the Edwards proposal - like all federal K-12 initiatives - are an attempt to level out that variation, which is seen by some as a bad thing. Unfortunately these initiatives usually fail to take into account the reasons for variation from district to district, and try to treat the symptoms without looking at the disease. What’s worse, it treats them all the same way, when the problems that afflict one district or state and cause it to perform poorly can be very different from the causes of problems in another.

Federal bureacracy only puts in place rules that are further removed from the local causes for underperformance.

Also, in a nation the size of the US, I think we have to concede that there will always be some areas that will perform better than others.

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by: Dr. Steven Taylor http://poliblogger.com/?p=12562#comment-1364706 Tue, 25 Sep 2024 00:36:57 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=12562#comment-1364706 Point taken. I am simply saying that taking the current system and simply trying to layer on new requirements creates far more bureaucracy than it does education. And, to be fair, many European countries are more comparable in size to US states, so it would depend on what we are comparing. Additionally, my oldest son's last two years were in a public magnet school, and he learned violin and classical guitar. It can be done, but it certainly isn't being done universally. Point taken.

I am simply saying that taking the current system and simply trying to layer on new requirements creates far more bureaucracy than it does education.

And, to be fair, many European countries are more comparable in size to US states, so it would depend on what we are comparing.

Additionally, my oldest son’s last two years were in a public magnet school, and he learned violin and classical guitar. It can be done, but it certainly isn’t being done universally.

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by: Greg Weeks http://poliblogger.com/?p=12562#comment-1364705 Tue, 25 Sep 2024 00:27:46 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=12562#comment-1364705 My niece and nephew have experienced schools in two European countries, and centralized planning has brought them such horrible things as foreign language, art, music, and sports, with pretty intense academics in between. All of those are now disappearing here, so it is not government per se. It's our government. My niece and nephew have experienced schools in two European countries, and centralized planning has brought them such horrible things as foreign language, art, music, and sports, with pretty intense academics in between. All of those are now disappearing here, so it is not government per se. It’s our government.

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by: Dr. Steven Taylor http://poliblogger.com/?p=12562#comment-1364699 Mon, 24 Sep 2024 16:54:30 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=12562#comment-1364699 <i>If politicians such as Edwards or Bush were so concerned about education policy, why don’t they run for local School Board?</i> Indeed. <i>The NCLB-type efforts are pretty lame and not nearly as impactful as the politicos suggest.</I> Yep. If politicians such as Edwards or Bush were so concerned about education policy, why don’t they run for local School Board?

Indeed.

The NCLB-type efforts are pretty lame and not nearly as impactful as the politicos suggest.

Yep.

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by: Ratoe http://poliblogger.com/?p=12562#comment-1364698 Mon, 24 Sep 2024 16:51:40 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=12562#comment-1364698 If politicians such as Edwards or Bush were so concerned about education policy, why don't they run for local School Board? Given the realities of education financing--the fact that public schools get most of their money from municipal and state sources--these political gestures are pandering at its worst. I would have more sympathy if someone like Edwards said, "education in the US needs a Marhsall Plan-type of involvement from the Feds" and then proposed a policy to match. The NCLB-type efforts are pretty lame and not nearly as impactful as the politicos suggest. If politicians such as Edwards or Bush were so concerned about education policy, why don’t they run for local School Board?

Given the realities of education financing–the fact that public schools get most of their money from municipal and state sources–these political gestures are pandering at its worst.

I would have more sympathy if someone like Edwards said, “education in the US needs a Marhsall Plan-type of involvement from the Feds” and then proposed a policy to match. The NCLB-type efforts are pretty lame and not nearly as impactful as the politicos suggest.

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