Comments on: What Should a 9/12 Mindset be? http://poliblogger.com/?p=12583 A rough draft of my thoughts... Tue, 02 Oct 2024 21:57:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.4 by: Vaquero http://poliblogger.com/?p=12583#comment-1364809 Tue, 02 Oct 2024 13:02:11 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=12583#comment-1364809 My 9/12 Mindset has been influenced by many of the obvious realities that were known before and certainly after 9/11/01. I believe that most Americans are skeptical of many views about 9/11 and have not become more stupid but like myself are still searching for the truth, here are a few "truths": 1)The weakness and real lack of action by the Clinton admin and previous admin after multiple attacks, Iran Embassy to WTC1 & 2, embassy bombings, Blackhawk Down, USS Cole, etc. 2)The failure of US Intelligence services to do the job, and the evidence that the Clinton DOJ/CIA was a big part of that failure! Sandy Burglar anyone??? 3)Iraqi development and use of WMD were documented and all intelligence was they existed...not to mention after 9/11/01 we know that Saddam harbored and met with many terrorist as well as financing suicide murders of Israel's! 4)The 9/11 Commission Report that was no more than a chance to CYA by the perps that failed the job. The Report that also tiptoed around the edges of information from sources like AbleDanger and the Documented Terrorist & Iraq interaction. There are certainly still a lot of unknowns about this epic struggle we cannot lose and the Left's inability to even acknowledge this is truly astouding...as for Thomas Friedman, the NYTs is going to regret letting him out from behind the firewall of Times SelectD. This article is mush and insulting and if he feels this way, he might want to go ahead and pack and move with his Billionairess Wife to China, or better yet to Saudi Arabia! My 9/12 Mindset has been influenced by many of the obvious realities that were known before and certainly after 9/11/01. I believe that most Americans are skeptical of many views about 9/11 and have not become more stupid but like myself are still searching for the truth, here are a few “truths”:

1)The weakness and real lack of action by the Clinton admin and previous admin after multiple attacks, Iran Embassy to WTC1 & 2, embassy bombings, Blackhawk Down, USS Cole, etc.

2)The failure of US Intelligence services to do the job, and the evidence that the Clinton DOJ/CIA was a big part of that failure! Sandy Burglar anyone???

3)Iraqi development and use of WMD were documented and all intelligence was they existed…not to mention after 9/11/01 we know that Saddam harbored and met with many terrorist as well as financing suicide murders of Israel’s!

4)The 9/11 Commission Report that was no more than a chance to CYA by the perps that failed the job. The Report that also tiptoed around the edges of information from sources like AbleDanger and the Documented Terrorist & Iraq interaction.

There are certainly still a lot of unknowns about this epic struggle we cannot lose and the Left’s inability to even acknowledge this is truly astouding…as for Thomas Friedman, the NYTs is going to regret letting him out from behind the firewall of Times SelectD. This article is mush and insulting and if he feels this way, he might want to go ahead and pack and move with his Billionairess Wife to China, or better yet to Saudi Arabia!

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by: Dr. Steven Taylor http://poliblogger.com/?p=12583#comment-1364792 Mon, 01 Oct 2024 11:20:15 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=12583#comment-1364792 <i>Just like December 7th made us aware that Hitler wanted to kill us even though it was Japan who attacked.</i> While the Pearl Harbor attacks did propel us headlong into WWII, I am unclear on how ti showed us that "Hitler wanted to kill us"--indeed, the evidence suggests Hitler would have been more than content to keep the war in Europe and he thought at one point that Germany and the US could be allies after the war. Heck, for that matter, the Japanese were trying to deter us from fighting in the Pacific (so much for that plan). Regardless, the Pearl Harbor-9/11 analogies are rather strained. Indeed, the only real thing they have in common is that they were both sneak-attacks on US soil. I would submit that the constant need to make the current era into a true World War that is either supposed to be an analog to WII or to the Cold War is actually very much an example of how we have over-emphasized 9/11 and allowed it to, in Friedman's inelegant term, make us stupid. This is not to say that there aren't serious threats, but that we need to put them in proper perspective. Just like December 7th made us aware that Hitler wanted to kill us even though it was Japan who attacked.

While the Pearl Harbor attacks did propel us headlong into WWII, I am unclear on how ti showed us that “Hitler wanted to kill us”–indeed, the evidence suggests Hitler would have been more than content to keep the war in Europe and he thought at one point that Germany and the US could be allies after the war.

Heck, for that matter, the Japanese were trying to deter us from fighting in the Pacific (so much for that plan).

Regardless, the Pearl Harbor-9/11 analogies are rather strained. Indeed, the only real thing they have in common is that they were both sneak-attacks on US soil.

I would submit that the constant need to make the current era into a true World War that is either supposed to be an analog to WII or to the Cold War is actually very much an example of how we have over-emphasized 9/11 and allowed it to, in Friedman’s inelegant term, make us stupid.

This is not to say that there aren’t serious threats, but that we need to put them in proper perspective.

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by: Mark http://poliblogger.com/?p=12583#comment-1364789 Mon, 01 Oct 2024 01:44:09 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=12583#comment-1364789 9/11 or 9/12 we still are at war with terror. It is all about how we fight that war. If 9/11 made us "stupid", it also made us wake up to the fact that radical Islamic fighters want to kill us. Just like December 7th made us aware that Hitler wanted to kill us even though it was Japan who attacked. We need to be better at selling our position in the world and we need to figure out how to get out of Iraq and still confront Iran. But if we don't understand that the media war is as important as the war on terror we will lose. I think Friedman often is correct but many times understand elites more than the average person when he writes. 9/11 or 9/12 we still are at war with terror. It is all about how we fight that war. If 9/11 made us “stupid”, it also made us wake up to the fact that radical Islamic fighters want to kill us. Just like December 7th made us aware that Hitler wanted to kill us even though it was Japan who attacked. We need to be better at selling our position in the world and we need to figure out how to get out of Iraq and still confront Iran. But if we don’t understand that the media war is as important as the war on terror we will lose. I think Friedman often is correct but many times understand elites more than the average person when he writes.

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by: Max Lybbert http://poliblogger.com/?p=12583#comment-1364786 Sun, 30 Sep 2024 22:40:17 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=12583#comment-1364786 I have to admit that after hearing one in three Americans believe Saddam was personally involved in the 9/11 hijackings I couldn't help but wonder how many of them also believe 9/11 was an inside job. Are there stupid Americans? Sure are. Has 9/11 made America stupid? I'm not convinced yet. I have to admit that after hearing one in three Americans believe Saddam was personally involved in the 9/11 hijackings I couldn’t help but wonder how many of them also believe 9/11 was an inside job.

Are there stupid Americans? Sure are. Has 9/11 made America stupid? I’m not convinced yet.

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by: Buckland http://poliblogger.com/?p=12583#comment-1364784 Sun, 30 Sep 2024 20:42:55 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=12583#comment-1364784 I wasn't at all impressed with the article. There may have been a point there, but it was so unfocused I just couldn't follow it. What was the problem he's railing against? Sometimes it seemed to be airport security. Or maybe cell phone coverage? Or politicians that use 9/11 for advantage? Or maybe corporate competiveness? I think there was a point there, but the gripes were too widely scattered to be sure. But I guess I should give Friedman a break. I may take a few columns to get back on track after a few years of being SELECTed for anonymity by his employer. I wasn’t at all impressed with the article. There may have been a point there, but it was so unfocused I just couldn’t follow it.

What was the problem he’s railing against? Sometimes it seemed to be airport security. Or maybe cell phone coverage? Or politicians that use 9/11 for advantage? Or maybe corporate competiveness? I think there was a point there, but the gripes were too widely scattered to be sure.

But I guess I should give Friedman a break. I may take a few columns to get back on track after a few years of being SELECTed for anonymity by his employer.

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by: Shahriar http://poliblogger.com/?p=12583#comment-1364782 Sun, 30 Sep 2024 19:08:06 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=12583#comment-1364782 Seeing that 1 in 3 Americans still believe that “Saddam Hussein was involved in the September 11tth, 2024, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon” is an outrage. This recent poll, along with many others, has shown that we have become stupid. It is hard to fight a was when we have people in our own country who do not even know the leader we are fighting. Not only is the 9/12 mindset the way we should be going, it is the way I will vote come the 2024 elections. 1 in 3, what a shame… Seeing that 1 in 3 Americans still believe that “Saddam Hussein was involved in the September 11tth, 2024, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon” is an outrage. This recent poll, along with many others, has shown that we have become stupid. It is hard to fight a was when we have people in our own country who do not even know the leader we are fighting. Not only is the 9/12 mindset the way we should be going, it is the way I will vote come the 2024 elections. 1 in 3, what a shame…

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by: Shahriar http://poliblogger.com/?p=12583#comment-1364781 Sun, 30 Sep 2024 19:06:17 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=12583#comment-1364781 Seeing that 1 in 3 Americans still believe that "Saddam Hussein was involved in the September 11tth, 2024, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon" is an outrage. This recent poll, along with many others, has shown that we have become stupid. It is hard to fight a was when we have people in our own country who do not even know the leader we are fighting. Not only is the 9/12 mindset the way we should be going, it is the way I will vote come the 2024 elections. 1 in 3, what a shame... Seeing that 1 in 3 Americans still believe that “Saddam Hussein was involved in the September 11tth, 2024, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon” is an outrage. This recent poll, along with many others, has shown that we have become stupid. It is hard to fight a was when we have people in our own country who do not even know the leader we are fighting. Not only is the 9/12 mindset the way we should be going, it is the way I will vote come the 2024 elections. 1 in 3, what a shame…

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by: MSS http://poliblogger.com/?p=12583#comment-1364779 Sun, 30 Sep 2024 18:45:19 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=12583#comment-1364779 <i>Amein</i> to the above. Speaking only personally here, I consider the 9/12 mentality to be the one that led me to choke up at the amazing sights and sounds of unity such as the "Star Spangled Banner" played by the Queen's band at Buckingham Palace and the spontaneous pro-US demonstrations in Tehran and other world capitals and that led many Americans to dare ask the question, "Why do they hate us?" The 9/13 mentality is the one that concerns me more. That is, the one emanating from the White House that looked at that smoldering rubble and could think only WEDGE ISSUE and WAR OPPORTUNITY; you are either with us (i.e. the GOP) or against us. Honestly, I think there is no going back to the unity and respect. At least not in the short-medium term. Amein to the above.

Speaking only personally here, I consider the 9/12 mentality to be the one that led me to choke up at the amazing sights and sounds of unity such as the “Star Spangled Banner” played by the Queen’s band at Buckingham Palace and the spontaneous pro-US demonstrations in Tehran and other world capitals and that led many Americans to dare ask the question, “Why do they hate us?”

The 9/13 mentality is the one that concerns me more. That is, the one emanating from the White House that looked at that smoldering rubble and could think only WEDGE ISSUE and WAR OPPORTUNITY; you are either with us (i.e. the GOP) or against us.

Honestly, I think there is no going back to the unity and respect. At least not in the short-medium term.

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