Comments on: Post-Toasties (Nevada and SC edition) http://poliblogger.com/?p=13133 A rough draft of my thoughts... Thu, 08 Dec 2024 05:27:48 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: MSS http://poliblogger.com/?p=13133&cpage=1#comment-1368269 MSS Mon, 21 Jan 2024 20:26:50 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=13133#comment-1368269 Oh, one more thing. 'Fringe' in the sense of articulating or enacting out-of-the-mainstream policy positions (and by implication also being loony or dangerous) cross-cuts major vs. minor. For instance, the current administration of the US government is certainly that of a major US party, but its ideas and actions on many a front are fringe (and dangerous, and often loony) to the vast majority of the world' politically aware, aside from the minority of Americans who voted for him (less than 30% of eligible) and the even smaller minority today who still register approval in the man (and his party). Oh, one more thing. ‘Fringe’ in the sense of articulating or enacting out-of-the-mainstream policy positions (and by implication also being loony or dangerous) cross-cuts major vs. minor.

For instance, the current administration of the US government is certainly that of a major US party, but its ideas and actions on many a front are fringe (and dangerous, and often loony) to the vast majority of the world’ politically aware, aside from the minority of Americans who voted for him (less than 30% of eligible) and the even smaller minority today who still register approval in the man (and his party).

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By: MSS http://poliblogger.com/?p=13133&cpage=1#comment-1368268 MSS Mon, 21 Jan 2024 20:12:27 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=13133#comment-1368268 Rather than fringe, I prefer minor. In the same way that Greens and Libertarians are minor parties (getting 1-2% of the vote, or even less). I don't' find major vs. minor pejorative in the same way as fringe, which is much more in the eye of the beholder, anyway. (That is, to me, Gravel is not fringe, he's my bliss point (almost), but Tancredo and Hunter are. But all are certainly minor.) Rather than fringe, I prefer minor. In the same way that Greens and Libertarians are minor parties (getting 1-2% of the vote, or even less).

I don’t’ find major vs. minor pejorative in the same way as fringe, which is much more in the eye of the beholder, anyway. (That is, to me, Gravel is not fringe, he’s my bliss point (almost), but Tancredo and Hunter are. But all are certainly minor.)

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By: Dr. Steven Taylor http://poliblogger.com/?p=13133&cpage=1#comment-1368239 Dr. Steven Taylor Sun, 20 Jan 2024 20:07:26 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=13133#comment-1368239 True... Indeed, I originally typed "adjective" and replaced it with "noun" because I had referred to "the fringe" (using the term as a noun)--although I did use it as an adjective in the post itself ("fringe candidates"). True…

Indeed, I originally typed “adjective” and replaced it with “noun” because I had referred to “the fringe” (using the term as a noun)–although I did use it as an adjective in the post itself (“fringe candidates”).

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By: Jan http://poliblogger.com/?p=13133&cpage=1#comment-1368237 Jan Sun, 20 Jan 2024 20:03:05 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=13133#comment-1368237 that's funny, I thought one was supposed to use adjectives, not nouns, to describe. . . :) that’s funny, I thought one was supposed to use adjectives, not nouns, to describe. . . :)

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By: Political Mavens » Post-Toasties (Nevada and SC edition) http://poliblogger.com/?p=13133&cpage=1#comment-1368235 Political Mavens » Post-Toasties (Nevada and SC edition) Sun, 20 Jan 2024 19:31:57 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=13133#comment-1368235 [...] Click [...] [...] Click [...]

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By: Li http://poliblogger.com/?p=13133&cpage=1#comment-1368234 Li Sun, 20 Jan 2024 19:07:27 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=13133#comment-1368234 Just thought I'd knock on your door, Dr. Taylor, and point out that another doctor doubled his his poll numbers in at least one state this week. I figured since you're throwing out the "comeback" jab I can toss out a "eat your words, just a little" jab. =P Alas, though, I will give no prophacies of a nomination win. But delegates is far, far more then the pundits were offering him for a very long time. On the topic of McCain vs. Romney, I really don't think McCain has that big an edge on Romney right now, although a dominant win in Florida could do some serious damage heading into super Tuesday I guess. I'm not sure it matters much...I really think it is a Dem year. Just thought I’d knock on your door, Dr. Taylor, and point out that another doctor doubled his his poll numbers in at least one state this week.

I figured since you’re throwing out the “comeback” jab I can toss out a “eat your words, just a little” jab. =P

Alas, though, I will give no prophacies of a nomination win. But delegates is far, far more then the pundits were offering him for a very long time.

On the topic of McCain vs. Romney, I really don’t think McCain has that big an edge on Romney right now, although a dominant win in Florida could do some serious damage heading into super Tuesday I guess. I’m not sure it matters much…I really think it is a Dem year.

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By: Dr. Steven Taylor http://poliblogger.com/?p=13133&cpage=1#comment-1368233 Dr. Steven Taylor Sun, 20 Jan 2024 18:50:55 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=13133#comment-1368233 Matthew, I take the point, but at some point a candidate is on the margins or fringe or <I>franja</i> or something. Certainly in terms of numbers and likelihood of achieving the nomination, which is my focus here. Kucinich and Gravel both are literally on the fringes of the vote at this point in the race, and really have been there the whole time. I do agree that the term "fringe" can, and normally does, have negative connotations. Of course, saying "losers is as losers does" didn't seem all that polite and "one-percenters are what one-percenters does" seemed awkward (although now that I type it, it does sort of fit the whole ridiculous breakfast-based metaphor...). And, to be fair, certainly Tancredo, Paul, Gravel and Kucinich have, at times, said some loony things (granted, it depends on one's point of view) and I find Tancredo, specifically, to have some dangerous views on immigration. Still, there is little doubt that the propensity is to treat such candidates as though they are cartoon characters, which isn't fair and while I try to go too far on that count, I am guilty of so doing at times. In all seriousness, what noun would you suggest to describe a Tancredo, Gravel, Hunter or Kucinich at this point? Recognize, too, that clearly there was some flippancy, as is my wont, in the usage above. Matthew,

I take the point, but at some point a candidate is on the margins or fringe or franja or something. Certainly in terms of numbers and likelihood of achieving the nomination, which is my focus here. Kucinich and Gravel both are literally on the fringes of the vote at this point in the race, and really have been there the whole time.

I do agree that the term “fringe” can, and normally does, have negative connotations. Of course, saying “losers is as losers does” didn’t seem all that polite and “one-percenters are what one-percenters does” seemed awkward (although now that I type it, it does sort of fit the whole ridiculous breakfast-based metaphor…).

And, to be fair, certainly Tancredo, Paul, Gravel and Kucinich have, at times, said some loony things (granted, it depends on one’s point of view) and I find Tancredo, specifically, to have some dangerous views on immigration.

Still, there is little doubt that the propensity is to treat such candidates as though they are cartoon characters, which isn’t fair and while I try to go too far on that count, I am guilty of so doing at times.

In all seriousness, what noun would you suggest to describe a Tancredo, Gravel, Hunter or Kucinich at this point?

Recognize, too, that clearly there was some flippancy, as is my wont, in the usage above.

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By: The Moderate Voice http://poliblogger.com/?p=13133&cpage=1#comment-1368230 The Moderate Voice Sun, 20 Jan 2024 18:15:08 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=13133#comment-1368230 <strong>More Primary Analysis: McCain Inevitable And Clintons Ready To Punce?</strong> Arizona Senator John McCain will be the last man standing in the Republican battle for the 2024 Presidential nomination. And if Senator Barack Obama felt Senator Hillary Clinton’s camp played hardball in Nevada, just wait until he sees what awai... More Primary Analysis: McCain Inevitable And Clintons Ready To Punce?

Arizona Senator John McCain will be the last man standing in the Republican battle for the 2024 Presidential nomination. And if Senator Barack Obama felt Senator Hillary Clinton’s camp played hardball in Nevada, just wait until he sees what awai…

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By: MSS http://poliblogger.com/?p=13133&cpage=1#comment-1368224 MSS Sun, 20 Jan 2024 16:45:15 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=13133#comment-1368224 I really object to the term, "fringe," whether applied to Gravel and Kucinich or to Paul, Hunter, or the dearly departed Tancredo. It has negative connotations, as if some combination of dangerous, loony, or other disparaging adjectives. My position on this is clear: Given the undemocratic electoral systems used in this country, the presidential nominating contest remains the most open process of debating competing visions for the country, and if we can't debate ideas outside the establishment mainstream when choosing who will be allowed to run for our only national offices, then when can we? Calling candidates "fringe" implies they do not belong, and is an inherently undemocratic label. I really object to the term, “fringe,” whether applied to Gravel and Kucinich or to Paul, Hunter, or the dearly departed Tancredo.

It has negative connotations, as if some combination of dangerous, loony, or other disparaging adjectives.

My position on this is clear: Given the undemocratic electoral systems used in this country, the presidential nominating contest remains the most open process of debating competing visions for the country, and if we can’t debate ideas outside the establishment mainstream when choosing who will be allowed to run for our only national offices, then when can we?

Calling candidates “fringe” implies they do not belong, and is an inherently undemocratic label.

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By: Dr. Steven Taylor http://poliblogger.com/?p=13133&cpage=1#comment-1368223 Dr. Steven Taylor Sun, 20 Jan 2024 16:20:26 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=13133#comment-1368223 But, the numbers that Charles Franklin notes would indicate that he is perhaps not as unpopular in those circles as the cw would argue. Further, Romneny appears to be less popular. As such, if McCain is more popular than Romney, who is going to beat McCain? Thompson is done and Giuliani's run appears stillborn, so who is left? Huckabee? If Huckabee can't beat McCain in SC, how is he going to beat him in NY, California and so forth? But, the numbers that Charles Franklin notes would indicate that he is perhaps not as unpopular in those circles as the cw would argue. Further, Romneny appears to be less popular.

As such, if McCain is more popular than Romney, who is going to beat McCain? Thompson is done and Giuliani’s run appears stillborn, so who is left? Huckabee? If Huckabee can’t beat McCain in SC, how is he going to beat him in NY, California and so forth?

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