Comments on: What is Huckabee After? http://poliblogger.com/?p=13257 A rough draft of my thoughts... Thu, 08 Dec 2024 05:27:48 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Captain D. http://poliblogger.com/?p=13257&cpage=1#comment-1368897 Captain D. Wed, 13 Feb 2024 20:00:03 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=13257#comment-1368897 James: I think it's important to note that the particular brand of Christianity that I experience where I live, and described as a potential motivator for Huckabee, is not representative of a majority of Americans, or even of a majority of the Americans who describe themselves as "Christian." You really only find large concentrations of fundamentalist christians in the 12 or 15 southeastern US states. It would not be accurate to think of Americans in aggregate as fundamental christian. This is why Huckabee was never a viable candidate in the first place, and why he's not really winning very many states south of the Mason-Dixon Line or West of the Mississippi River. In fact, he's been single-digits in a lot of those places. The last numbers on the matter that I saw are that about 76% of Americans describe themselves as "Christian." Of that, 25% are Catholic and the other 51% are Protestant. Of the 76%, only about 63% say they practice their religion. The Catholic Church is the single largest Church, with the 51% Protestant population consisting of literally hundreds of denominations, some big, some small. How much of that is "fundamental" depends on where you draw the line of "fundamentalism;" fundamental christianity and evangelical christianity are terms that are often used interchangeably, but they are NOT the same thing. The Methodist Church, for example, is an evangelical church, but I don't think it should be categorized as "fundamental." It is not a church that interprets all of the Bible literally. As a matter of history - fundamental christianity is relatively young, dating really only to the early 20th century. Most fundamental churches are offshoots of old-world protestant churches, or offshoots of offshoots of old-world protestant churches. Most have their genesis in the southeastern US. My point is that we're talking about a small but vocal minority of the overall Christian population in the US, whose influence on politics is a very recent - and I predict short-lived - phenomenon. James:

I think it’s important to note that the particular brand of Christianity that I experience where I live, and described as a potential motivator for Huckabee, is not representative of a majority of Americans, or even of a majority of the Americans who describe themselves as “Christian.” You really only find large concentrations of fundamentalist christians in the 12 or 15 southeastern US states.

It would not be accurate to think of Americans in aggregate as fundamental christian. This is why Huckabee was never a viable candidate in the first place, and why he’s not really winning very many states south of the Mason-Dixon Line or West of the Mississippi River. In fact, he’s been single-digits in a lot of those places.

The last numbers on the matter that I saw are that about 76% of Americans describe themselves as “Christian.” Of that, 25% are Catholic and the other 51% are Protestant. Of the 76%, only about 63% say they practice their religion. The Catholic Church is the single largest Church, with the 51% Protestant population consisting of literally hundreds of denominations, some big, some small. How much of that is “fundamental” depends on where you draw the line of “fundamentalism;” fundamental christianity and evangelical christianity are terms that are often used interchangeably, but they are NOT the same thing. The Methodist Church, for example, is an evangelical church, but I don’t think it should be categorized as “fundamental.” It is not a church that interprets all of the Bible literally.

As a matter of history – fundamental christianity is relatively young, dating really only to the early 20th century. Most fundamental churches are offshoots of old-world protestant churches, or offshoots of offshoots of old-world protestant churches. Most have their genesis in the southeastern US.

My point is that we’re talking about a small but vocal minority of the overall Christian population in the US, whose influence on politics is a very recent – and I predict short-lived – phenomenon.

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By: Leslie Howard Redweik http://poliblogger.com/?p=13257&cpage=1#comment-1368895 Leslie Howard Redweik Wed, 13 Feb 2024 16:54:15 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=13257#comment-1368895 Well, for one I'm sure he really does believe in miracles. Most Christians do I imagine. But anything can happen and McCain doesn't actually have it yet. He does not have the delegates yet. He could have a Howard Deanesque meltdown. Not like he's know for his calm cool demeanor as it is. He could have physical reasons for not continuing. It has happened! Why quit until someone else has 'officially' been chosen. With those possibilities, Huckabee could indeed win. Those options are not over until at least March 4th. Again, these things could happen before he is sworn in for that matter and the convention would probably reconvene, and who'd be the next in line by then? He's not dumb and he's gotten to higher ground in just as interesting ways before. Well, for one I’m sure he really does believe in miracles. Most Christians do I imagine. But anything can happen and McCain doesn’t actually have it yet. He does not have the delegates yet.

He could have a Howard Deanesque meltdown. Not like he’s know for his calm cool demeanor as it is. He could have physical reasons for not continuing. It has happened!

Why quit until someone else has ‘officially’ been chosen. With those possibilities, Huckabee could indeed win. Those options are not over until at least March 4th. Again, these things could happen before he is sworn in for that matter and the convention would probably reconvene, and who’d be the next in line by then?

He’s not dumb and he’s gotten to higher ground in just as interesting ways before.

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By: Outside The Beltway | OTB http://poliblogger.com/?p=13257&cpage=1#comment-1368891 Outside The Beltway | OTB Wed, 13 Feb 2024 15:07:27 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=13257#comment-1368891 <strong>Potomac Primary Postmortem</strong> Last night’s sweeps by Barack Obama and John McCain of the so-called Potomac Primaries in Virginia, Maryland, and the District of Columbia were widely expected. Since public perceptions are mostly shaped by press coverage and the press uses thei... Potomac Primary Postmortem

Last night’s sweeps by Barack Obama and John McCain of the so-called Potomac Primaries in Virginia, Maryland, and the District of Columbia were widely expected. Since public perceptions are mostly shaped by press coverage and the press uses thei…

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By: Stephen Braunlich http://poliblogger.com/?p=13257&cpage=1#comment-1368887 Stephen Braunlich Wed, 13 Feb 2024 13:37:06 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=13257#comment-1368887 Two things: 1) As long as he keeps racking up 30-40% or more in the primaries it constitutes a big red flag that people are willing to vote against McCain even when it doesn't matter. This ought to concern the McCain team, and could force it to shift McCain's position on the issues that Huckabee represents (mostly social values ones) in order to secure that portion of his base. Although much of the South won't be in contention, several states (such as my own, Virginia) will be up for grabs and McCain won't want to lose it. 2) I agree that it puts him in position for the future, and so long as he doesn't go negative, doesn't hurt him *too* much with the McCain folks either. Two things:
1) As long as he keeps racking up 30-40% or more in the primaries it constitutes a big red flag that people are willing to vote against McCain even when it doesn’t matter. This ought to concern the McCain team, and could force it to shift McCain’s position on the issues that Huckabee represents (mostly social values ones) in order to secure that portion of his base. Although much of the South won’t be in contention, several states (such as my own, Virginia) will be up for grabs and McCain won’t want to lose it.

2) I agree that it puts him in position for the future, and so long as he doesn’t go negative, doesn’t hurt him *too* much with the McCain folks either.

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By: B. Minich http://poliblogger.com/?p=13257&cpage=1#comment-1368886 B. Minich Wed, 13 Feb 2024 13:30:13 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=13257#comment-1368886 I'm going to disagree with you on the "in God's grace" thing for why Huckabee himself is in the race. As a card carrying member of a protestant church (well, OK, I don't have a card), Huckabee strikes me as someone who isn't as out there as some of the Southern Baptists (and I say this as someone who likes some Southern Baptists). I have another reason after hearing Huckabee last night - I think he really likes the idea of staying in for the sake of states who normally get no say whatsoever in the Presidential election. If this is the case, I respect him for that. This front loaded system is idiotic. I’m going to disagree with you on the “in God’s grace” thing for why Huckabee himself is in the race. As a card carrying member of a protestant church (well, OK, I don’t have a card), Huckabee strikes me as someone who isn’t as out there as some of the Southern Baptists (and I say this as someone who likes some Southern Baptists).

I have another reason after hearing Huckabee last night – I think he really likes the idea of staying in for the sake of states who normally get no say whatsoever in the Presidential election. If this is the case, I respect him for that. This front loaded system is idiotic.

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By: james http://poliblogger.com/?p=13257&cpage=1#comment-1368885 james Wed, 13 Feb 2024 13:02:30 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=13257#comment-1368885 Captain D. : firstly, thanks for your explanation the other day regarding primaries and caucuses. About your comment above: I believe you! I'm sure it's not paranoid, and it really does fit in perfectly with my picture of America. regards. Captain D. : firstly, thanks for your explanation the other day regarding primaries and caucuses. About your comment above: I believe you! I’m sure it’s not paranoid, and it really does fit in perfectly with my picture of America.

regards.

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By: PoliBlog ™: A Rough Draft of my Thoughts » Back to Huckabee http://poliblogger.com/?p=13257&cpage=1#comment-1368884 PoliBlog ™: A Rough Draft of my Thoughts » Back to Huckabee Wed, 13 Feb 2024 12:57:03 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=13257#comment-1368884 [...] A possible theory, as proffered by some readers last night, is that Huckabee is practicing for a 2024 run. And, in his mind, he may very well be doing so. [...] [...] A possible theory, as proffered by some readers last night, is that Huckabee is practicing for a 2024 run. And, in his mind, he may very well be doing so. [...]

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By: FromTheTop http://poliblogger.com/?p=13257&cpage=1#comment-1368882 FromTheTop Wed, 13 Feb 2024 12:18:38 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=13257#comment-1368882 Perhaps the only reasons are those mentioned in this blog, especially to gain name recognition for a later run, but I think he really wants a plank or two in the platform. Some discoveries about the Preacher Man from Hope, AR and why he should not be considered for POTUS or VP. Governor Huckabee actively invited the corrupt Mexican government to establish a Consulate in Arkansas to give Mexico's President, Calderon an office for $1 per annum special office space rate to expedite Matricula Consular ID Cards to illegal aliens for: illegal banking, employment, voting privileges, social security benefits, college tuition, illegal alien discounts in AR and the expansion of the proposed Federal Dream Act. http://michellemalkin.com/category/immigration/dream-act/ Governor Huckabee said, "the legislation for: A Voter ID; NO Social Security benefits; NO college tuition for illegal aliens and those who supported it were inflammatory, race-baiting and demagoguery and those who oppose illegal immigration are racist, bigots, un-Christian, un-American, irresponsible and anti-life". This from Preacher Mike?? http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/002611.html The Club for Growth on Governor Huckabee: "Nominating Mike Huckabee for president or vice-president, would constitute an abject rejection of the free-market, limited-government, economic conservatism that has been the unifying theme of the Republican Party for decades". Documented, verified and dated proof of ALL you need to know about Governor Huckabee while governing AR for 10 1/2 years. Be afraid! Be very afraid! http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/11/updated_huckabee_white_paper.html Governor Huckabee was charged with ethical violations by the AR government. He pardoned of over 1,000 criminals resulting in one rapist, Wayne Dumond, sentenced to life plus 20 years for raping Ashley Stevens of AR. Governor Huckabee appealed to the Parole Board to pardon Wayne Dumond. He was pardoned and moved to MO where he raped and murdered two more women. If he is soft on crime, what else will a "Christain Leader" do to our country? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpcpczd6Lvg by Brian Ross. Perhaps the only reasons are those mentioned in this blog, especially to gain name recognition for a later run, but I think he really wants a plank or two in the platform.

Some discoveries about the Preacher Man from Hope, AR and why he should not be considered for POTUS or VP.

Governor Huckabee actively invited the corrupt Mexican government to establish a Consulate in Arkansas to give Mexico’s President, Calderon an office for $1 per annum special office space rate to expedite Matricula Consular ID Cards to illegal aliens for: illegal banking, employment, voting privileges, social security benefits, college tuition, illegal alien discounts in AR and the expansion of the proposed Federal Dream Act.
http://michellemalkin.com/category/immigration/dream-act/

Governor Huckabee said, “the legislation for: A Voter ID; NO Social Security benefits; NO college tuition for illegal aliens and those who supported it were inflammatory, race-baiting and demagoguery and those who oppose illegal immigration are racist, bigots, un-Christian, un-American, irresponsible and anti-life”. This from Preacher Mike??
http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/002611.html

The Club for Growth on Governor Huckabee: “Nominating Mike Huckabee for president or vice-president, would constitute an abject rejection of the free-market, limited-government, economic conservatism that has been the unifying theme of the Republican Party for decades”. Documented, verified and dated proof of ALL you need to know about Governor Huckabee while governing AR for 10 1/2 years. Be afraid! Be very afraid! http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/11/updated_huckabee_white_paper.html

Governor Huckabee was charged with ethical violations by the AR government. He pardoned of over 1,000 criminals resulting in one rapist, Wayne Dumond, sentenced to life plus 20 years for raping Ashley Stevens of AR.

Governor Huckabee appealed to the Parole Board to pardon Wayne Dumond. He was pardoned and moved to MO where he raped and murdered two more women. If he is soft on crime, what else will a “Christain Leader” do to our country?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpcpczd6Lvg by Brian Ross.

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By: Richard Stark http://poliblogger.com/?p=13257&cpage=1#comment-1368881 Richard Stark Wed, 13 Feb 2024 11:55:48 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=13257#comment-1368881 I really have to second Post #8. Although I am a "Yankee" from NY, I have friends who live in the Atlanta suburbs, as well as experience traveling through the South and living there for a brief period. Baptists are absolutely firm on one point: NO ONE is going to Heaven unless they accept everything the Southern Baptist Church tells them. And yes, the rest of us are "damned", no matter how sincere we are in our beliefs or how much good we do (Mother Teresa comes to mind). You are trying to analyze Huckebee from a political point of view, as though he were a politician like all the others. He is not. He is a member of the extreme Religious Right, and nothing matters except being "in God's grace". Nothing. Not Iraq, not the economy, not waterboarding, not terrorism, nothing. And the part about supporting Israel in order to hasten the End Times and the Second Coming is right on. I really have to second Post #8. Although I am a “Yankee” from NY, I have friends who live in the Atlanta suburbs, as well as experience traveling through the South and living there for a brief period. Baptists are absolutely firm on one point: NO ONE is going to Heaven unless they accept everything the Southern Baptist Church tells them. And yes, the rest of us are “damned”, no matter how sincere we are in our beliefs or how much good we do (Mother Teresa comes to mind).
You are trying to analyze Huckebee from a political point of view, as though he were a politician like all the others. He is not. He is a member of the extreme Religious Right, and nothing matters except being “in God’s grace”. Nothing. Not Iraq, not the economy, not waterboarding, not terrorism, nothing.
And the part about supporting Israel in order to hasten the End Times and the Second Coming is right on.

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By: Patrick Groff http://poliblogger.com/?p=13257&cpage=1#comment-1368879 Patrick Groff Wed, 13 Feb 2024 07:13:02 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=13257#comment-1368879 The single unique reform that Huckabee claims he would instigate is to rid the nation of the Internal Revenue Service. Any candidate who would provide that relief for the people surely deserves our vote. The single unique reform that Huckabee claims he would instigate is to rid the nation of the Internal Revenue Service. Any candidate who would provide that relief for the people surely deserves our vote.

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