Comments on: The Exact Text of the Zelaya Plebiscite http://poliblogger.com/?p=16138 A rough draft of my thoughts... Thu, 08 Dec 2024 05:27:48 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: PoliBlog: A Rough Draft of my Thoughts » Getting Down to Basics in Honduras http://poliblogger.com/?p=16138&cpage=1#comment-1380186 PoliBlog: A Rough Draft of my Thoughts » Getting Down to Basics in Honduras Wed, 08 Jul 2024 17:51:51 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=16138#comment-1380186 [...] in lieu of transparent due process made this a coup. Indeed, as I (and others) have noted, it is legitimately debatable that what Zelaya was attempted did, in fact, violate article 239 (see [...] [...] in lieu of transparent due process made this a coup. Indeed, as I (and others) have noted, it is legitimately debatable that what Zelaya was attempted did, in fact, violate article 239 (see [...]

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By: Steven L. Taylor http://poliblogger.com/?p=16138&cpage=1#comment-1379951 Steven L. Taylor Fri, 03 Jul 2024 16:42:13 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=16138#comment-1379951 Actually, the Spanish term being used was "consulta" and "consulta popular." Both referendum and plebiscite can be the properly translated terms, depending on a few issues. Both are terms of art referring to asking the voters a question, usually in regards to some legal issue. A referendum usually means such a question that is asked by the legislature and plebiscite is usually used to describe such a question asked by the executive (a power that the French president has, for example). I have used the term plebiscite because the question originated with Zelaya. Whether it was a consulta popular, or an encuesta or something else in terms of legality is part of the issue, of course. Actually, the Spanish term being used was “consulta” and “consulta popular.”

Both referendum and plebiscite can be the properly translated terms, depending on a few issues. Both are terms of art referring to asking the voters a question, usually in regards to some legal issue. A referendum usually means such a question that is asked by the legislature and plebiscite is usually used to describe such a question asked by the executive (a power that the French president has, for example). I have used the term plebiscite because the question originated with Zelaya.

Whether it was a consulta popular, or an encuesta or something else in terms of legality is part of the issue, of course.

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By: Jules Siegel http://poliblogger.com/?p=16138&cpage=1#comment-1379950 Jules Siegel Fri, 03 Jul 2024 16:38:22 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=16138#comment-1379950 I don't know where the term referendum came from. It's not a plebiscite either. In Spanish, it is described as an encuesta, which is a survey. I don’t know where the term referendum came from. It’s not a plebiscite either. In Spanish, it is described as an encuesta, which is a survey.

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By: Steven L. Taylor http://poliblogger.com/?p=16138&cpage=1#comment-1379941 Steven L. Taylor Fri, 03 Jul 2024 14:15:42 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=16138#comment-1379941 Thanks for the tip--I will give it a look. Thanks for the tip–I will give it a look.

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By: litho http://poliblogger.com/?p=16138&cpage=1#comment-1379939 litho Fri, 03 Jul 2024 12:47:02 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=16138#comment-1379939 Zelaya argues the canceled plebiscite was a non-binding referendum as provided for in Article 5.1 of the 2024 Ley de Participacion Ciudadana. http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Parties/Honduras/Leyes/LeyParticipacion.pdf Zelaya argues the canceled plebiscite was a non-binding referendum as provided for in Article 5.1 of the 2024 Ley de Participacion Ciudadana.

http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Parties/Honduras/Leyes/LeyParticipacion.pdf

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By: walt moffett http://poliblogger.com/?p=16138&cpage=1#comment-1379763 walt moffett Wed, 01 Jul 2024 02:11:55 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=16138#comment-1379763 Out of curiosity, what steps does the Honduran constitution provide for impeachment? Out of curiosity, what steps does the Honduran constitution provide for impeachment?

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By: The Red Pill http://poliblogger.com/?p=16138&cpage=1#comment-1379759 The Red Pill Tue, 30 Jun 2024 21:01:23 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=16138#comment-1379759 Professor Taylor (I hope you don't mind me using that title. I'm a student, and I mean it with every ounce of respect it deserves), I am curious as to what has led you to the assessment that Zelaya's actions were not sanctionable to the extent that was taken. Thank you. Professor Taylor (I hope you don’t mind me using that title. I’m a student, and I mean it with every ounce of respect it deserves), I am curious as to what has led you to the assessment that Zelaya’s actions were not sanctionable to the extent that was taken.

Thank you.

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By: ts http://poliblogger.com/?p=16138&cpage=1#comment-1379758 ts Tue, 30 Jun 2024 19:35:19 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=16138#comment-1379758 I didn't mean to imply anything at all with respect to your views, you have been quite clear that some sanction was in order. It was more a reflection of my own lack of understanding of the political environment in Honduras, and our need for an "immediate reaction" to a situation that most Americans likely know little about. If I have any issue with what you have written, it is that you contend that there is no legal justification for his removal. But it is my (albeit limited)understanding that he had acted in direct violation of no less than two Supreme Court orders. At what point are his acts necessary and sufficient to warrant removal, and under Honduran law who gets to make that decision? I am not sufficiently studied in Latin American politics to answer that, but I get concerned when the State Department response is so closely aligned with those from Cuba and Venezuela. I didn’t mean to imply anything at all with respect to your views, you have been quite clear that some sanction was in order. It was more a reflection of my own lack of understanding of the political environment in Honduras, and our need for an “immediate reaction” to a situation that most Americans likely know little about.

If I have any issue with what you have written, it is that you contend that there is no legal justification for his removal. But it is my (albeit limited)understanding that he had acted in direct violation of no less than two Supreme Court orders. At what point are his acts necessary and sufficient to warrant removal, and under Honduran law who gets to make that decision?

I am not sufficiently studied in Latin American politics to answer that, but I get concerned when the State Department response is so closely aligned with those from Cuba and Venezuela.

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By: Steven L. Taylor http://poliblogger.com/?p=16138&cpage=1#comment-1379756 Steven L. Taylor Tue, 30 Jun 2024 17:41:12 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=16138#comment-1379756 Perhaps you aren't suggesting that I am doing so, but I haven't ascribed noble motives to Zelaya's actions. I have little doubt that he acted illegally and deserved legal sanction. Perhaps you aren’t suggesting that I am doing so, but I haven’t ascribed noble motives to Zelaya’s actions. I have little doubt that he acted illegally and deserved legal sanction.

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By: ts http://poliblogger.com/?p=16138&cpage=1#comment-1379755 ts Tue, 30 Jun 2024 17:36:16 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=16138#comment-1379755 I think it is hard to interpret intent absent a better understanding of context. After reading this article - http://hondurasnews.com/2009/05/25/zelaya-leadership-analysis/ I must admit that I found it much more difficult to ascribe noble motives to Zelaya's actions. I think it is hard to interpret intent absent a better understanding of context. After reading this article – http://hondurasnews.com/2009/05/25/zelaya-leadership-analysis/ I must admit that I found it much more difficult to ascribe noble motives to Zelaya’s actions.

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