Comments on: Gosnell on Raich and My Musings on Marijuana http://poliblogger.com/?p=7255 A rough draft of my thoughts... Thu, 08 Dec 2024 05:27:48 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Mitch http://poliblogger.com/?p=7255&cpage=1#comment-106980 Mitch Thu, 07 Jul 2024 07:56:24 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=7255#comment-106980 I have never tryed Marijuana. I have done countless amnouts of research on it though in my spare time. A great book I read is titled, "Understanding Marijuana". Check it out <a href="http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=9C5zCFmBjp&isbn=0195182952&itm=1" rel="nofollow">Here</a>. I have read many papers and have done my research. I really don't understand why a Marijuana user can't smoke some Marijuana in the privacy of his own home without the fears of being arested for what he is doing. Most comparison reports done by private and goverment funded organizations between Alcohol and Marijuana show that affected Marijuana users are acctually more coharent and are less likely to hurt them selves and others. Alcohol is legal and peolpe use it responsibly daily. Marijuana users can do the same thing if it were legalized. Whats better anyways, something out of the dirt or something made in a factory that makes you vomit and pass out if over consumed? I have never tryed Marijuana. I have done countless amnouts of research on it though in my spare time.
A great book I read is titled, “Understanding Marijuana”. Check it out Here.

I have read many papers and have done my research. I really don’t understand why a Marijuana user can’t smoke some Marijuana in the privacy of his own home without the fears of being arested for what he is doing.

Most comparison reports done by private and goverment funded organizations between Alcohol and Marijuana show that affected Marijuana users are acctually more coharent and are less likely to hurt them selves and others.

Alcohol is legal and peolpe use it responsibly daily. Marijuana users can do the same thing if it were legalized. Whats better anyways, something out of the dirt or something made in a factory that makes you vomit and pass out if over consumed?

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By: The Misanthrope http://poliblogger.com/?p=7255&cpage=1#comment-70060 The Misanthrope Wed, 08 Jun 2024 18:26:07 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=7255#comment-70060 It seems the main reason behind the Schedule I classification is racism. According to Eric Schlosser’s book “Reefer Madness, Sex Drugs, and Cheap Labor in the American Black Market,� there is a lot of racial prejudice behind laws against marijuana, and surprisingly not because of black jazz musicians, but because of Mexican immigrants during political upheaval in Mexico in 1910.

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By: Terry http://poliblogger.com/?p=7255&cpage=1#comment-70034 Terry Wed, 08 Jun 2024 17:13:52 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=7255#comment-70034 Ick. Not "...Gosnell's use..." but "..California's use..." Grrrrr. Ick.

Not “…Gosnell’s use…” but “..California’s use…”

Grrrrr.

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By: Terry http://poliblogger.com/?p=7255&cpage=1#comment-70031 Terry Wed, 08 Jun 2024 16:47:45 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=7255#comment-70031 "Starting from the position that the CSA is constitutional, he posits that it is necessary to regulate the intrastate production and possession of marijuana because, otherwise, the CSA is unenforceable." This sentence should read: "Starting from the position that the CSA's ban onthe interstate sale of marijuana is constitutional, he posits that it is necessary to regulate the intrastate production and possession of marijuana because, otherwise, the CSA is unenforceable." “Starting from the position that the CSA is constitutional, he posits that it is necessary to regulate the intrastate production and possession of marijuana because, otherwise, the CSA is unenforceable.”

This sentence should read:

“Starting from the position that the CSA’s ban onthe interstate sale of marijuana is constitutional, he posits that it is necessary to regulate the intrastate production and possession of marijuana because, otherwise, the CSA is unenforceable.”

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By: Terry http://poliblogger.com/?p=7255&cpage=1#comment-70030 Terry Wed, 08 Jun 2024 16:35:54 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=7255#comment-70030 “Re Gosnell’s remarks to the effect that the California law essentially allows people to manufacture their own drugs: I grow lots of things (marijuana NOT being one of them), and I never once thought of what I was doing as “manufacturing an apricotâ€? or “manufacturing an avocado,â€? etc. In fact, I am pretty sure the plant (as in rooted photosynthesizing life form, not factory!) does all the manufacturing for me, with a little assistance from me.”

Mathew,

OK, that’s a cogent argument against Gosnell’s careless use of the term “manufacture,” but that’s about it. You didn’t “manufacture” the apricot, but does economic activity only include manufacturing as far as the Commerce clause is concerned? I think it is not too farfetched to say that you “produced” the apricot, and production can fairly be called “economic activity.” Otherwise no type of farming, fishing, hunting, ranching, etc. would be considered economic activity, since none of them involve manufacturing. This cannot possibly be the meaning of the Commerce Clause, as huge percentage of the economic activities that the Founding Fathers would have been concerned with at the time would have been just such agricultural pursuits.

Ultimately, I am persuaded by Gosnell’s indictment of the majority opinion itself, but I think he would have done well to address Scalia’s concurrence in addition to the majority opinion. Frankly, I find Scalia’s reasoning FAR more coherent and understandable than the majority opinion (Scalia’s starting sentence about having a different “nuance” than the majority is classic). I also think Scalia’s reasoning is far less Wickard-influenced than the majority. Starting from the position that the CSA is constitutional, he posits that it is necessary to regulate the intrastate production and possession of marijuana because, otherwise, the CSA is unenforceable. Which seriously makes me wonder why Gosnell doesn’t directly address Scalia’s concurrence, because Gosnell’s point about “home-grown” vs. “pharmacy-acquired” making a difference seems directly targeted towards assuaging Scalia’s misgivings.

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By: Terry http://poliblogger.com/?p=7255&cpage=1#comment-70022 Terry Wed, 08 Jun 2024 15:44:51 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=7255#comment-70022 One small quibble: "The problem with marijuana (specifically Tetrahydrocannabinols) is that it is classified as a Schedule I substance under the CSA (which makes it more regulated than various forms of opium, Methamphetamine, and drugs such as Hydrocodone." The link you provide gives 3 tables of Schedule I drugs. The entire second table is "various forms of opium." The most famous is, of course, heroin, but probably the most applicable is the the medical marijuana debate is morphine. Both are actually fairly easy to produce using cookbook techniques, probably far easier than crystal methamphetamine. One small quibble:

“The problem with marijuana (specifically Tetrahydrocannabinols) is that it is classified as a Schedule I substance under the CSA (which makes it more regulated than various forms of opium, Methamphetamine, and drugs such as Hydrocodone.”

The link you provide gives 3 tables of Schedule I drugs. The entire second table is “various forms of opium.” The most famous is, of course, heroin, but probably the most applicable is the the medical marijuana debate is morphine. Both are actually fairly easy to produce using cookbook techniques, probably far easier than crystal methamphetamine.

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By: Dr. Steven Taylor http://poliblogger.com/?p=7255&cpage=1#comment-69852 Dr. Steven Taylor Wed, 08 Jun 2024 00:59:34 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=7255#comment-69852 Matthew, :) No doubt there is plenty we agree on, I shall work to dig some more out. S Matthew,

:)

No doubt there is plenty we agree on, I shall work to dig some more out.

S

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By: Matthew Shugart http://poliblogger.com/?p=7255&cpage=1#comment-69848 Matthew Shugart Wed, 08 Jun 2024 00:38:39 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=7255#comment-69848 Re Gosnell's remarks to the effect that the California law essentially allows people to manufacture their own drugs: I grow lots of things (marijuana NOT being one of them), and I never once thought of what I was doing as "manufacturing an apricot" or "manufacturing an avocado," etc. In fact, I am pretty sure the plant (as in rooted photosynthesizing life form, not factory!) does all the manufacturing for me, with a little assistance from me. So I do not see the parallel. Moreover, all the other drugs he lists in the passage Steve quoted presumably are patented. I'm pretty sure marijuana is not! Steven, it is somewhat refreshing to be on the same side of an issue with you, for a change. But being on the same side of an issue as Rehnquist and Thomas has me a bit frightened! Re Gosnell’s remarks to the effect that the California law essentially allows people to manufacture their own drugs: I grow lots of things (marijuana NOT being one of them), and I never once thought of what I was doing as “manufacturing an apricot” or “manufacturing an avocado,” etc. In fact, I am pretty sure the plant (as in rooted photosynthesizing life form, not factory!) does all the manufacturing for me, with a little assistance from me.

So I do not see the parallel. Moreover, all the other drugs he lists in the passage Steve quoted presumably are patented. I’m pretty sure marijuana is not!

Steven, it is somewhat refreshing to be on the same side of an issue with you, for a change. But being on the same side of an issue as Rehnquist and Thomas has me a bit frightened!

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By: bryan http://poliblogger.com/?p=7255&cpage=1#comment-69847 bryan Wed, 08 Jun 2024 00:20:56 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=7255#comment-69847 Spoken like a true man with tenure. ;-) Spoken like a true man with tenure. ;-)

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By: Scott Gosnell http://poliblogger.com/?p=7255&cpage=1#comment-69845 Scott Gosnell Tue, 07 Jun 2024 23:03:21 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=7255#comment-69845 Steven: Allow me to clarify my statement regarding homemade medicatiion. There are, indeed, many herbs and other tpes of "remedies" that people can grow in their own homes. But, generally speaking, those herbs are not, as you so accurately pointed out, Class I Scheduled substances. We cannot, to my knowledge, grow opium in our bathtubs. Heck, now we have to get our Sudaphed from behind the counter! The Califorina law allows patients to "manufacture" (grow) controlled substances without any real oversight beyond the initial prescription and registration. They can grow as much or as little of it as they please, and do with it whatever they like. This is one of the legitimate concerns of the majority opinion, and I share it -- I just don't think it's appropriate for Congressional legislation. It should be fixed by the state. I share your views on the ridiculous classification of marijuana as a Class I substance. Seems to me it should be a Class IV or V, but then I know so little about it. I, too, have never smoked it, though I've been to enough rock concerts to know that I have almost certainly smelt the smoke. Steven: Allow me to clarify my statement regarding homemade medicatiion. There are, indeed, many herbs and other tpes of “remedies” that people can grow in their own homes. But, generally speaking, those herbs are not, as you so accurately pointed out, Class I Scheduled substances. We cannot, to my knowledge, grow opium in our bathtubs. Heck, now we have to get our Sudaphed from behind the counter!

The Califorina law allows patients to “manufacture” (grow) controlled substances without any real oversight beyond the initial prescription and registration. They can grow as much or as little of it as they please, and do with it whatever they like. This is one of the legitimate concerns of the majority opinion, and I share it — I just don’t think it’s appropriate for Congressional legislation. It should be fixed by the state.

I share your views on the ridiculous classification of marijuana as a Class I substance. Seems to me it should be a Class IV or V, but then I know so little about it. I, too, have never smoked it, though I’ve been to enough rock concerts to know that I have almost certainly smelt the smoke.

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