Comments on: The Great Emoticon Debate http://poliblogger.com/?p=7960 A rough draft of my thoughts... Fri, 17 Mar 2024 07:56:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.2 by: Jon http://poliblogger.com/?p=7960#comment-188191 Tue, 30 Aug 2024 14:23:42 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=7960#comment-188191 "Imagine how much the writing of Mark Twain, Charles Dickens, Shakespeare, Thoreau, and Melville..." Who... I mean the writing of random people on the internet is so precise and clear and fully edited, and yet, spontaneous that I find that I read the classic authors less, because their prose is so pretencious and condesending... As if they almost relish their status as icons of the literature world. Let's not forget the wonderful texture that overuse of the ellipsis adds.. shall we :p “Imagine how much the writing of Mark Twain, Charles Dickens, Shakespeare, Thoreau, and Melville…”

Who… I mean the writing of random people on the internet is so precise and clear and fully edited, and yet, spontaneous that I find that I read the classic authors less, because their prose is so pretencious and condesending… As if they almost relish their status as icons of the literature world.

Let’s not forget the wonderful texture that overuse of the ellipsis adds.. shall we :p

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by: margaret http://poliblogger.com/?p=7960#comment-183919 Sun, 28 Aug 2024 03:20:04 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=7960#comment-183919 As a writer and a purist, I want to defend the judicious use of emoticons in emails. Problem is, you're writing not just to friends who relish your dry wit, but to folks who may not even know you. A smiley helps your correspondent gauge you and encourages you to enliven your writing and take risks, eg, forays into humor or irony, without fear of misinterpretation. It's a cheap shot to point out Dickens, etc. didn't need them. When you're reading a novel, you do not assume that the author is talking to you, Joe Blow, personally and you do not scrutinize the tone for impertinence or gather clues as to what the author really thinks of you. As a writer and a purist, I want to defend the judicious use of emoticons in emails.

Problem is, you’re writing not just to friends who relish your dry wit, but to folks who may not even know you. A smiley helps your correspondent gauge you and encourages you to enliven your writing and take risks, eg, forays into humor or irony, without fear of misinterpretation.

It’s a cheap shot to point out Dickens, etc. didn’t need them. When you’re reading a novel, you do not assume that the author is talking to you, Joe Blow, personally and you do not scrutinize the tone for impertinence or gather clues as to what the author really thinks of you.

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by: Paladin http://poliblogger.com/?p=7960#comment-181830 Fri, 26 Aug 2024 20:46:13 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=7960#comment-181830 Ah, yes, misreading sarcastic passages. To thine own self be true. And they are all, all honorable men. Etc. Honestly, my dear Sultan, I had no idea I was opening such a can of worms. I thought I was just venting to both my readers. :) Ah, yes, misreading sarcastic passages.

To thine own self be true.

And they are all, all honorable men.

Etc.

Honestly, my dear Sultan, I had no idea I was opening such a can of worms. I thought I was just venting to both my readers. :)

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by: Jan http://poliblogger.com/?p=7960#comment-181625 Fri, 26 Aug 2024 13:17:56 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=7960#comment-181625 I like smiles. :) Sometimes they are the only way can make sure Dr. T knows I'm not really mad at him, again. (We tend to miscommunicate at times.) This is my favorite smiley :P because I like to stick my tougue out at people and, although the act is childish, I still like to do it, and smileys are the only way I've found to do that on the internet. And, just for the record, and I think Scott will back me up on this, not everyone who reads a well written novel is able to exactly grasp the tone and students often get confused by sarcastic passages. That's why we have literature professors. :) I like smiles. :) Sometimes they are the only way can make sure Dr. T knows I’m not really mad at him, again. (We tend to miscommunicate at times.)

This is my favorite smiley :P because I like to stick my tougue out at people and, although the act is childish, I still like to do it, and smileys are the only way I’ve found to do that on the internet.

And, just for the record, and I think Scott will back me up on this, not everyone who reads a well written novel is able to exactly grasp the tone and students often get confused by sarcastic passages. That’s why we have literature professors. :)

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by: Dr. Steven Taylor http://poliblogger.com/?p=7960#comment-181622 Fri, 26 Aug 2024 11:26:31 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=7960#comment-181622 And, of course, the next line of that great work is: "Message, Spock?" Ah. I <i>do</i> love the classics. And, of course, the next line of that great work is:

“Message, Spock?”

Ah. I do love the classics.

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by: Steven L. http://poliblogger.com/?p=7960#comment-181599 Fri, 26 Aug 2024 02:12:03 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=7960#comment-181599 I think we should add them to the past classics. It is hardly the fault of the authors that they died before the internet was brought forth from the void. Example of improved version: It was the best of times. :) It was the worst of times. :( Powerful. I think we should add them to the past classics. It is hardly the fault of the authors that they died before the internet was brought forth from the void. Example of improved version:

It was the best of times. :)

It was the worst of times. :(

Powerful.

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by: Absinthe & Cookies (a bit bitter, a bit sweet) http://poliblogger.com/?p=7960#comment-181459 Thu, 25 Aug 2024 21:32:55 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=7960#comment-181459 <strong>To Smiley or not to Smiley....</strong> So everyone by now should know what an emoticon is. You know, those little smileys. They laugh, cry, even vomit,... To Smiley or not to Smiley….

So everyone by now should know what an emoticon is. You know, those little smileys. They laugh, cry, even vomit,…

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by: caltechgirl http://poliblogger.com/?p=7960#comment-181458 Thu, 25 Aug 2024 21:30:37 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=7960#comment-181458 I agree with you. Sometimes 2-dimensional text doesn't convey tone. I do include smileys in my emails to adminsitration, though. Chicks can get away with that stuff. ;) I agree with you. Sometimes 2-dimensional text doesn’t convey tone.

I do include smileys in my emails to adminsitration, though. Chicks can get away with that stuff. ;)

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by: Unlocked Wordhoard http://poliblogger.com/?p=7960#comment-181451 Thu, 25 Aug 2024 19:50:11 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=7960#comment-181451 <strong>Emoticons and tone</strong> Dr. Taylor at Poliblog has defended the use of emoticons because they better enable to e-mail to express tone. I've given a lot of thought to that issue in the past, and I'm a bit ambivalent about that argument. Emoticons and tone

Dr. Taylor at Poliblog has defended the use of emoticons because they better enable to e-mail to express tone. I’ve given a lot of thought to that issue in the past, and I’m a bit ambivalent about that argument.

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by: Dr. Steven Taylor http://poliblogger.com/?p=7960#comment-181450 Thu, 25 Aug 2024 19:21:28 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=7960#comment-181450 Ultimately, it is in the same category as <b>bolding</b> and <i>italicizing</i> text in my mind--i.e., to give a visual cue. It also works in e-mail, because the responses are often short, if not terse. What, pray tell, is wrong with that? Also: are you suggesting that when you write an e-mail you include adjectives and adverbs to underscore your letter-writing, as is done in dialog in novels? (e.g., "I love your dress," he said sarcastically. or "Get out!" she screamed, the pain of the even thick in her voice). We are talking about conversational communication, which isn't the same as Dickens. And note: it ain't as if I use them all the time on the blog, so clearly my point <i>isn't</i> that they are the only way (or even the chief way) to demonstrate tone. For example, I noted the derision and sarcasm in your tone and your didn't use any emoticons whatsoever. Indeed, can you sense my irritation and mild degree of surprise that you found it necessary to drop into a lighthearted discussion (check out the non-emoticoned text in the post again) and be rather, well, rude? Cheers. Ultimately, it is in the same category as bolding and italicizing text in my mind–i.e., to give a visual cue.

It also works in e-mail, because the responses are often short, if not terse.

What, pray tell, is wrong with that?

Also: are you suggesting that when you write an e-mail you include adjectives and adverbs to underscore your letter-writing, as is done in dialog in novels? (e.g., “I love your dress,” he said sarcastically. or “Get out!” she screamed, the pain of the even thick in her voice).

We are talking about conversational communication, which isn’t the same as Dickens.

And note: it ain’t as if I use them all the time on the blog, so clearly my point isn’t that they are the only way (or even the chief way) to demonstrate tone.

For example, I noted the derision and sarcasm in your tone and your didn’t use any emoticons whatsoever.

Indeed, can you sense my irritation and mild degree of surprise that you found it necessary to drop into a lighthearted discussion (check out the non-emoticoned text in the post again) and be rather, well, rude?

Cheers.

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