Comments on: On Juan Cole and Yale http://poliblogger.com/?p=9821 A rough draft of my thoughts... Thu, 08 Dec 2024 05:27:48 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: PoliBlog: A Rough Draft of my Thoughts » Hitchens and Cole http://poliblogger.com/?p=9821&cpage=1#comment-590390 PoliBlog: A Rough Draft of my Thoughts » Hitchens and Cole Thu, 04 May 2024 02:06:37 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=9821#comment-590390 [...] dnesday, May 3, 2024 Hitchens and Cole By Dr. Steven Taylor @ 9:03 pm I recently defended Juan Cole (whom I have never met, btw) against an attack by John Fund of the WSJ regarding [...] [...] dnesday, May 3, 2024

Hitchens and Cole
By Dr. Steven Taylor @ 9:03 pm

I recently defended Juan Cole (whom I have never met, btw) against an attack by John Fund of the WSJ regarding [...]

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By: Matthew Shugart/Fruits & Votes http://poliblogger.com/?p=9821&cpage=1#comment-571062 Matthew Shugart/Fruits & Votes Tue, 25 Apr 2024 18:13:17 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=9821#comment-571062 Yehudit, don't judge the "responsibility" of an academic as an <i>academic</i> by his blog. It is one thing to "publish" a blog post, and quite another to publish a peer-reviewed article or a book with a university press. Cole has done quite a lot of both of these latter activities, and if his field is anything like mine, there is a spirited debate within the academy about his work and its conclusions. As there should be. But the blog is, by definition, a privately owned public forum, and not an academic enterprise. An academic blog is still a blog. In fact, the concept, academic blog, is something of an oxymoron. Yehudit, don’t judge the “responsibility” of an academic as an academic by his blog.

It is one thing to “publish” a blog post, and quite another to publish a peer-reviewed article or a book with a university press. Cole has done quite a lot of both of these latter activities, and if his field is anything like mine, there is a spirited debate within the academy about his work and its conclusions. As there should be. But the blog is, by definition, a privately owned public forum, and not an academic enterprise.

An academic blog is still a blog. In fact, the concept, academic blog, is something of an oxymoron.

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By: Chris Lawrence http://poliblogger.com/?p=9821&cpage=1#comment-568818 Chris Lawrence Tue, 25 Apr 2024 04:38:05 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=9821#comment-568818 Robert KC Johnson has an interesting post up at Cliopatria on this topic; if I weren't in "all lax, all the time" mode, I'd link it. Robert KC Johnson has an interesting post up at Cliopatria on this topic; if I weren’t in “all lax, all the time” mode, I’d link it.

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By: Yehudit http://poliblogger.com/?p=9821&cpage=1#comment-568507 Yehudit Tue, 25 Apr 2024 01:24:31 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=9821#comment-568507 "the authors have picked inflammatory statements from Cole’s blog without necessarily looking at the overall work." The problem is that Cole makes unsupported inflammatory attacks over and over - that IS the overall work of his blog. When you look at the accumulated data, you don't find a competent academic. Kramer and Badran focus on Cole's lack of academic rigor. “the authors have picked inflammatory statements from Cole’s blog without necessarily looking at the overall work.”

The problem is that Cole makes unsupported inflammatory attacks over and over – that IS the overall work of his blog. When you look at the accumulated data, you don’t find a competent academic. Kramer and Badran focus on Cole’s lack of academic rigor.

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By: Yehudit http://poliblogger.com/?p=9821&cpage=1#comment-568505 Yehudit Tue, 25 Apr 2024 01:21:42 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=9821#comment-568505 You are being too kind to Cole - he has been fisked soundly and repeatedly by experts in contemporary Middle East history, and the accusations in his blog are not examples of reputable scholarship to say the least. Cole isn't a responsible academic. <a href="http://www.keshertalk.com/archives/2006/04/juancolesmears.html" rel="nofollow">Lots of links</a> including links to Martin Kramer and Tony Badran, who fisk Cole's Middle East expertise. You are being too kind to Cole – he has been fisked soundly and repeatedly by experts in contemporary Middle East history, and the accusations in his blog are not examples of reputable scholarship to say the least. Cole isn’t a responsible academic.

Lots of links including links to Martin Kramer and Tony Badran, who fisk Cole’s Middle East expertise.

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By: Dr. Steven Taylor http://poliblogger.com/?p=9821&cpage=1#comment-568504 Dr. Steven Taylor Tue, 25 Apr 2024 01:20:37 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=9821#comment-568504 alsj, I figured as much, but thought I would further clarify. Matthew, Indeed. alsj,

I figured as much, but thought I would further clarify.

Matthew,

Indeed.

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By: Matthew http://poliblogger.com/?p=9821&cpage=1#comment-568129 Matthew Mon, 24 Apr 2024 22:05:33 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=9821#comment-568129 If Yale were not to hire Cole, or even short-list him, because of his blogging, then I would be worried about a chilling effect on the blogoshpere (or, rather, its academic part). But I am reasonably confident that the WSJ editorial board has no influence on Yale faculty hiring. So, I am not too concerned that the fuss created by the WSJ will chill the academic blogosphere. Only the academy itself could do that, and Cole's short-listing at Yale is a data point for the "no chill effect" hypothesis. If Yale were not to hire Cole, or even short-list him, because of his blogging, then I would be worried about a chilling effect on the blogoshpere (or, rather, its academic part).

But I am reasonably confident that the WSJ editorial board has no influence on Yale faculty hiring. So, I am not too concerned that the fuss created by the WSJ will chill the academic blogosphere. Only the academy itself could do that, and Cole’s short-listing at Yale is a data point for the “no chill effect” hypothesis.

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By: alsj http://poliblogger.com/?p=9821&cpage=1#comment-568116 alsj Mon, 24 Apr 2024 21:18:58 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=9821#comment-568116 Steven, Just to clarify, My snarkiness was not meant to be aimed at you--rather the WSJ. Steven, Just to clarify, My snarkiness was not meant to be aimed at you–rather the WSJ.

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By: Dr. Steven Taylor http://poliblogger.com/?p=9821&cpage=1#comment-568109 Dr. Steven Taylor Mon, 24 Apr 2024 20:23:35 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=9821#comment-568109 You are correct, and I almost dealt with the modernity issue, but became over-focused on the usage of the word "contemporary" in one of the pieces. You are correct, and I almost dealt with the modernity issue, but became over-focused on the usage of the word “contemporary” in one of the pieces.

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By: alsj http://poliblogger.com/?p=9821&cpage=1#comment-568072 alsj Mon, 24 Apr 2024 19:57:15 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=9821#comment-568072 "Further, given the development of the Middle East, it isn’t as if issue of relevance in the 19th century don’t still have saliency today." The position is for the study of the modern middle east. Most educated people understand "modernity" as being the period of time roughly from the 15th century onward. In fact the 19th century was probably the zenith of modernity. I am wondering if the WSJ is going to ask Laura Englestein, Robert Harms, Gilbert Joseph, Mridu Rai, or Mimi Yiengpruksawan to quit? All of those folks have 19th century research specialties and are faculty in the Center for International and Area Studies. Once again, the WSJ editorial page shows its ignorance. “Further, given the development of the Middle East, it isn’t as if issue of relevance in the 19th century don’t still have saliency today.”

The position is for the study of the modern middle east. Most educated people understand “modernity” as being the period of time roughly from the 15th century onward.

In fact the 19th century was probably the zenith of modernity.

I am wondering if the WSJ is going to ask Laura Englestein, Robert Harms, Gilbert Joseph, Mridu Rai, or Mimi Yiengpruksawan to quit?

All of those folks have 19th century research specialties and are faculty in the Center for International and Area Studies.

Once again, the WSJ editorial page shows its ignorance.

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