March 24, 2024Deliberation DayBrendan Conway, in today's OpionJournal, takes Professors Bruce Ackerman (Yale Law School) and James Fishkin ( they propose a new national holiday, Deliberation Day, to make America's citizenry worthy of its own democratic aspirations. DDay calls for citizens to assemble in public buildings, listen to televised statements by major candidates, hear local activists and converse with one another according to rules designed to maximize civility and shame spoilers. No voting takes place, only deliberation. And there is no need to add a day off to the nation's calendar for all this worthy effort. We can simply cannibalize a current holiday, like Presidents Day. The reason? they do believe that ordinary people--left, right or center--are too uninformed to govern themselves meaningfully, let alone teach at a university. "If six decades of modern public opinion research establish anything," they write, "it is that the general public's political ignorance is appalling by any standard." The entire discussion is dealt with rather derisively by Conway. And, to be honest, I can't disagree with his criticism of the idea of Deliberation Day (not to mention the whole idea of paying $7.5 billion for it). However, I think he misses the idea that it is the case that most Americans are, indeed, woefully ignorant of how their government works, and about politics in general. The question, of course, is what, if anything, should (and can) be done about it? I am well familiar with Dr. Fishkin's idea of deliberative polling (more here and the new CDD home with more info is here), as he was the Chair of the Department of Government at the University of Texas when I was a student there, and I had him for a class probably in the 91-92 academic year. He has been working on this idea of deliberation since at least that point, and I was at UT when he held his deliberative poll in 1994. The basic premise is: if you give people more information, it tends to change their opinions (and, further, the idea that citizens, in general, have insufficient information about politics). Now, I can't disagree with either premise (nor is either all that controversial). The question, as I note above: what to do about it? I thought at the time, and concur with Conway, that this particular approach is remarkably paternalistic (and optimistic, for that matter, if not idealistic). For one thing, the idea that otherwise disinterested citizens can be paid to become informed strikes me as unlikely, and, further, the idea that it could be done in one day (or two days, as with the 94 experiment) strikes me as absurd. There is also the problem of what will be told to the citizens-for-hire during that 24 hour period. I know for a fact that both Ackerman and Fishkin are both rather focused on the issue of distrbutive justice (read: economic distribution) in the context of the liberal state (and not, specifically a classical liberal state but the liberal-welfare state that emerges as a strain of liberalism in the twentieth century). For example, Ackerman's Social Justice in the Liberal State (1980) while well-written, highly readable, and fun to discuss in class, is a remarkably impractical (and, to me, utterly unpersuasive) attempt to justify economic egalitarianism (at least at the start of each generation). And yes, that is an overly simplified version of the book--however, the basic argument of the book can easily be encapsulated in the following: "I am just as good as you are, so I should get at least as much." But, back to deliberation: the idea that it is the government's job to foster deliberation strikes me as idealistic and an imposition. Further, the idea that having a one day a year paid (by tax dollars) holiday in which the government will provide (directly or through proxies) is positively Orwellian in its potential. Plus, don't citizens have the right to be uparticipatory, and indeed, ignorant of government and politics if they want to be? If they decide it isn't worth their time, why should the government step in and try to "correct" their behavior? Further, if we want better citizens, how about just providing better and more complete American Government classes in High School? How about having someone other than the basketball coach teach government and history? These seem more auspicious places to start. Posted by Steven Taylor at March 24, 2024 09:03 AM | TrackBackComments
Interesting. I'm afraid this is one of those things that's just a fact that we must accept, not a problem to be solved. On Deliberation Day, people would go to malls, have barbecues, and consume beer. Hell, I'm a veteran and I don't get particularly reflective on Veterans Day. I don't go to gravesites on Memorial Day. Posted by: James Joyner at March 24, 2024 09:40 AMI enjoyed this post. I also disagree with the idea of having a Deliberation Day. It seems to me that it is the individual responsibility of citizens in a democracy to inform themselves and participate in the political system. Everyone has the freedom to participate as little or as much as they want to. When the government pays citizens to participate in a forum such as Deliberation Day, not only would we be straying towards coercing citizens to participate politically; we would also be subsidizing their own ignorance and giving them a reason to decrease their political participation on all other days. Incidentally, Professor Fishkin is now at Stanford University. Professor Fishkin has also been a consultant for the MacNeil/Lehrer Productions series By the People. Posted by: Gary Manca at March 24, 2024 10:10 AMGary--thanks for the note and the update on Fishkin. I was thinking that he had left UT as well, but my Google-ing placed him still at UT, including a search at the UT web site (which I now see leads me to a page that was last updated in 2024). Posted by: Steven at March 24, 2024 10:17 AMThat's all we need - another national holiday! I would use mine to do some "deliberating" on the beach while I work on my tan. And I am sure others would go for cookouts and other things. Hopefully the holiday would fall on a monday so weekend trips with the family could be planned. Posted by: mark at March 24, 2024 10:42 AMI'd be curious what you all think of my idea based on Fishkin's experiments. Check out my book "Deliberative Democracy in America: A Proposal for a Popular Branch of Government," where I come up with what I think is at once a more radical and more realistic way to utilize citizen deliberation to legitimate our polity. Many who are skeptical of Deliberation Day might find my ideas even more offensive: quite unlike Ackerman and Fishkin, I think our toleration for our mandatory jury system supports the argument that citizens be required to engage in principled deliberation on policy decisions. This idea is meant to modify our failed experiment in direct democracy. Let me know what you think. http://psupress.org/books/titles/0-271-02363-5.html Ethan Posted by: Ethan Leib at March 29, 2024 05:23 PMI'd be curious what you all think of my idea based on Fishkin's experiments. Check out my book "Deliberative Democracy in America: A Proposal for a Popular Branch of Government," where I come up with what I think is at once a more radical and more realistic way to utilize citizen deliberation to legitimate our polity. Many who are skeptical of Deliberation Day might find my ideas even more offensive: quite unlike Ackerman and Fishkin, I think our toleration for our mandatory jury system supports the argument that citizens be required to engage in principled deliberation on policy decisions. This idea is meant to modify our failed experiment in direct democracy. Let me know what you think. http://psupress.org/books/titles/0-271-02363-5.html Ethan Posted by: Ethan Leib at March 29, 2024 05:23 PMPost a comment
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