Comments on: Reacting and Moving Forward http://poliblogger.com/?p=8558 A rough draft of my thoughts... Mon, 08 May 2024 18:27:49 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.2 by: eric http://poliblogger.com/?p=8558#comment-273509 Mon, 31 Oct 2024 03:48:37 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=8558#comment-273509 Reagan was believed by some because they perceived the apology as honest. (But like your comment, he only apologized well after everyone figured he did something wrong. I wasn't clear. So when I said Reagen wasn't believed, I was referring to his long delays before the apology) If Bush apologizes for Plame, but not for WMD's -- at least admitting he made bad decisions based on faulty intelligence -- he won't be belived. Remember.... all those "Clinton lied, but no one died" bumper stickers aren't talking about Plame. Apologies only work if they're perceived as honest. Reagan was believed by some because they perceived the apology as honest. (But like your comment, he only apologized well after everyone figured he did something wrong. I wasn’t clear. So when I said Reagen wasn’t believed, I was referring to his long delays before the apology)

If Bush apologizes for Plame, but not for WMD’s — at least admitting he made bad decisions based on faulty intelligence — he won’t be belived.

Remember…. all those “Clinton lied, but no one died” bumper stickers aren’t talking about Plame. Apologies only work if they’re perceived as honest.

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by: Dr. Steven Taylor http://poliblogger.com/?p=8558#comment-273507 Mon, 31 Oct 2024 03:33:27 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=8558#comment-273507 I don't get your point about Reagan--given that he actually did apologize, which is part of the overall point... I don’t get your point about Reagan–given that he actually did apologize, which is part of the overall point…

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by: Insults Unpunished » Damage Control http://poliblogger.com/?p=8558#comment-273506 Mon, 31 Oct 2024 03:31:15 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=8558#comment-273506 [...] m, Mr Bush runs the risk of sullying the ideas that he has championed. UPDATE: Steven has more. Posted by Robert Prather ¦ Permalink ¦ ¦ You can find this entry in: Politics [...] […] m, Mr Bush runs the risk of sullying the ideas that he has championed. UPDATE: Steven has more.

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by: eric http://poliblogger.com/?p=8558#comment-273505 Mon, 31 Oct 2024 03:24:13 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=8558#comment-273505 sorry... meant to say Plame. don't think they should apologize for Myers. sorry… meant to say Plame. don’t think they should apologize for Myers.

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by: eric http://poliblogger.com/?p=8558#comment-273504 Mon, 31 Oct 2024 03:22:35 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=8558#comment-273504 No ideological clouds here... Just a simple point. If no one believed Reagan wasn't involved in Iran-Contra then certainly few will believe that wmd's existed in Iraq..... they weren't there, but the administration has yet to admit that even though most people know better today... Therefore if they apologize for Harret Myers, I doubt they would be belived. Its just a matter of establishing credability for the apology to be effective. No ideological clouds here… Just a simple point. If no one believed Reagan wasn’t involved in Iran-Contra then certainly few will believe that wmd’s existed in Iraq….. they weren’t there, but the administration has yet to admit that even though most people know better today… Therefore if they apologize for Harret Myers, I doubt they would be belived. Its just a matter of establishing credability for the apology to be effective.

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by: Dr. Steven Taylor http://poliblogger.com/?p=8558#comment-273503 Mon, 31 Oct 2024 03:18:57 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=8558#comment-273503 The fact that President came out and said that none of the administration was invovled does put some onus on the White House. That a major figure in the administration has been indcied for perjury after the President campaigned on bring honor back to the WH (which was a reference to Clinton's perjury issues, among other things). This is also, I would add, as much about <i>politics</i> as it is about who is right and who is wrong. The fact that President came out and said that none of the administration was invovled does put some onus on the White House.

That a major figure in the administration has been indcied for perjury after the President campaigned on bring honor back to the WH (which was a reference to Clinton’s perjury issues, among other things).

This is also, I would add, as much about politics as it is about who is right and who is wrong.

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by: Mad Dog http://poliblogger.com/?p=8558#comment-273502 Mon, 31 Oct 2024 03:08:20 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=8558#comment-273502 Apologize for what? I've still seem nothingt hat auggests anyone int he Adminisrtation had anything to do with "outing" Plame or anyone else. Libby's was indicted for supposedly not telling the turth, not because he outed anyone. I hope W simply pardons Libby and tells Fitzgerald and the MSM to stick it in their ears. Apologize for what? I’ve still seem nothingt hat auggests anyone int he Adminisrtation had anything to do with “outing” Plame or anyone else. Libby’s was indicted for supposedly not telling the turth, not because he outed anyone. I hope W simply pardons Libby and tells Fitzgerald and the MSM to stick it in their ears.

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by: Dr. Steven Taylor http://poliblogger.com/?p=8558#comment-273483 Mon, 31 Oct 2024 02:34:32 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=8558#comment-273483 Let's see, one persons see so many things to apologize for that it is too late for any such admissions, while another sees nothing whatsoever to apologize for. So, no ideological lenses clouding anyone's vision, it would seem.. Let’s see, one persons see so many things to apologize for that it is too late for any such admissions, while another sees nothing whatsoever to apologize for.

So, no ideological lenses clouding anyone’s vision, it would seem..

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by: Henriet Cousin\' http://poliblogger.com/?p=8558#comment-272996 Sun, 30 Oct 2024 23:13:40 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=8558#comment-272996 Apologize!? It is proper manners to apologize when you have given offense? What offense has the Bush administration given to its enemies at home or abroad? Smite them hip and thigh and drive them from the field is more like it. Contemptously Henriet Apologize!? It is proper manners to apologize when you have given offense? What offense has the Bush administration given to its enemies at home or abroad? Smite them hip and thigh and drive them from the field is more like it.

Contemptously
Henriet

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by: eric http://poliblogger.com/?p=8558#comment-272925 Sun, 30 Oct 2024 22:50:47 +0000 http://poliblogger.com/?p=8558#comment-272925 An apology won't work unless it is perceived as genuine presumably based on some sort of self-reflection. Given that the administration hasn't apologized for getting the WMD intelligence in Iraq wrong (at least that i've heard), and his "buck stops here" explanation for Katrina was qualified with a "the federal part", I can't imagine them considering an apology for this faux-pas. An apology won’t work unless it is perceived as genuine presumably based on some sort of self-reflection. Given that the administration hasn’t apologized for getting the WMD intelligence in Iraq wrong (at least that i’ve heard), and his “buck stops here” explanation for Katrina was qualified with a “the federal part”, I can’t imagine them considering an apology for this faux-pas.

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