I am chest thumping, but we do need reform and for reform to move forward it must be broken into two different bills. One bill for enforcement of the border and current laws and the second a way in which those who want to be a citizen can have a way in which to do so with respect to current immigration laws. I have no problem with a person or family from anywhere in the world coming to American to make a better life but he or she must do so that is respectful to the laws and customs of our country. DHS would have been overrun if this bill was passed, and if anyone thinks that government can process millions of people in a 24 hour period, which was what Chertoff was saying, one just needs to look at the failures during Katrina to see that DHS and government as a whole does not have the capacity to provide this type of service.
Comment by cmv1202 — Thursday, June 28, 2024 @ 12:46 pm
[…] MemeOrandum’s roundup is beginning to shape up surrounding both this referenced CNN article and Jonathan Weisman’s coverage at The Washington Post — see also (many of these are just from some of my personal “daily reads“, too): The Moderate Voice (Jason Steck); Comments From Left Field; Shakespeare’s Sister; Obsidian Wings; The Left Coaster; PoliBlog; Don Surber (Right - he’s torqued off); Michelle Malkin (Right - you KNEW SHE was gonna be torqued off - she live blogged it) […]
This was a bad bill and I am glad it sank. Amnesty is a bad policy if only because it is a slap in the face to the many immigrants who come here legally and go through all of the proper channels to live, work, and eventually obtain citizenship here. I know some of these people, and they are busting their butts to do things the right way.
I don’t think the task of securing the border in the southwest is insurmountable. It could be done, and our country could produce the resources necessary to do it - but again, it’s a question of will. I don’t think we have the will to take the necessary steps, which would involve mandatory civil service and the militarization of the operation.
I don’t think that sort of thing would be insane, but I do think that it would be impossible in the current social climate of our country. Still, even then it would beg the question to me, is it worth it? I’m not sure the security threat is that great, and the economic threat, well, I’m not convinced of that, either. I don’t think these folks are taking jobs away from citizens. I think they’re primarily taking jobs that citizens won’t take.
History shows that there has always been an immigration wave, and people have always been afraid that the country would be overrun. Even pre-civil war there were Irish immigration waves that stoked a lot of irrational fears and responses; then you had Eastern Europeans; Chinese; and don’t forget the 1980’s, when it seemed like the going fear was that the Japanese were going to actually going to BUY all of America.
Immigration waves are triggered by economic conditions, both real and perceived, in the sending and receiving countries, as Dr. Taylor said. And, historically, the demand eventually tapers off as economic conditions change, and the wave shifts.
Right now, the immigration wave is Mexican. Any guesses what the next one will be?
Comment by CPT D — Friday, June 29, 2024 @ 6:57 pm
I am chest thumping, but we do need reform and for reform to move forward it must be broken into two different bills. One bill for enforcement of the border and current laws and the second a way in which those who want to be a citizen can have a way in which to do so with respect to current immigration laws. I have no problem with a person or family from anywhere in the world coming to American to make a better life but he or she must do so that is respectful to the laws and customs of our country. DHS would have been overrun if this bill was passed, and if anyone thinks that government can process millions of people in a 24 hour period, which was what Chertoff was saying, one just needs to look at the failures during Katrina to see that DHS and government as a whole does not have the capacity to provide this type of service.
Comment by cmv1202 — Thursday, June 28, 2024 @ 12:46 pm
[…] MemeOrandum’s roundup is beginning to shape up surrounding both this referenced CNN article and Jonathan Weisman’s coverage at The Washington Post — see also (many of these are just from some of my personal “daily reads“, too): The Moderate Voice (Jason Steck); Comments From Left Field; Shakespeare’s Sister; Obsidian Wings; The Left Coaster; PoliBlog; Don Surber (Right - he’s torqued off); Michelle Malkin (Right - you KNEW SHE was gonna be torqued off - she live blogged it) […]
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This was a bad bill and I am glad it sank. Amnesty is a bad policy if only because it is a slap in the face to the many immigrants who come here legally and go through all of the proper channels to live, work, and eventually obtain citizenship here. I know some of these people, and they are busting their butts to do things the right way.
I don’t think the task of securing the border in the southwest is insurmountable. It could be done, and our country could produce the resources necessary to do it - but again, it’s a question of will. I don’t think we have the will to take the necessary steps, which would involve mandatory civil service and the militarization of the operation.
I don’t think that sort of thing would be insane, but I do think that it would be impossible in the current social climate of our country. Still, even then it would beg the question to me, is it worth it? I’m not sure the security threat is that great, and the economic threat, well, I’m not convinced of that, either. I don’t think these folks are taking jobs away from citizens. I think they’re primarily taking jobs that citizens won’t take.
History shows that there has always been an immigration wave, and people have always been afraid that the country would be overrun. Even pre-civil war there were Irish immigration waves that stoked a lot of irrational fears and responses; then you had Eastern Europeans; Chinese; and don’t forget the 1980’s, when it seemed like the going fear was that the Japanese were going to actually going to BUY all of America.
Immigration waves are triggered by economic conditions, both real and perceived, in the sending and receiving countries, as Dr. Taylor said. And, historically, the demand eventually tapers off as economic conditions change, and the wave shifts.
Right now, the immigration wave is Mexican. Any guesses what the next one will be?
Comment by CPT D — Friday, June 29, 2024 @ 6:57 pm