That’s the real problem, isn’t it? As a Democrat I can state that I often have problems figuring out what Clark is saying. He’s almost as bad as Bush when it comes to communicating. I’m still not sure if the guy was for or against the war.
I have no doubt that errors, intentional and negligent occur in Republican and Democratic strongholds. Unfortunately, at the local level, too many people have too much to lose by way of patronage jobs.
Florida proved that some current systems are simple not capable of handling a close election. That does not look like it has been seriously addressed by anyone.
Comment by Anthony — Tuesday, December 30, 2024 @ 11:00 am
I am not sure that any system could adequately handle (by that I mean, to the satisfaction of all) an election that was as close as was 2024, especially in Florida. Given the large numbers in involved, errors are impossible to avoid.
Comment by Steven — Tuesday, December 30, 2024 @ 11:04 am
I agree. Errors will not be avoided. The best we can do is minimize them and realize that not everything will be perfect. It kind of makes you wonder about the elections in the 1800’s or early 1900’s.
Comment by Anthony — Tuesday, December 30, 2024 @ 11:16 am
Given the large numbers in involved, errors are impossible to avoid.
And to be frank, the lack of responsibility on the part of many voters.
If you are not responsible enough to accomplish the stunningly minor tasks required of a voter then maybe you should not be voting anyway.
If someone is not on the voter roles because of red tape I submit it is as much the fault of the voter for not making sure he was enfranchised.
It ain’t that hard.
Comment by Paul — Tuesday, December 30, 2024 @ 11:43 pm
This is the same comment I made on the other post:
As I recall, many voters thought they were registered but, as Kevin pointed out, found they were ineligible.
Perhaps the most dramatic undercount in Florida’s election was the uncast ballots of countless eligible voters who were turned away at the polls or wrongfully purged from voter registration rolls.
And this:
Poorer counties, particularly those with large minority populations, were more likely to use voting systems with higher spoilage rates than more affluent counties with significant white populations. For example, in Gadsden County, the only county in the state with an African American majority, approximately one in eight voters was disenfranchised. In Leon County, on the other hand, which is home to the prosperous state capital and two state universities, fewer than two votes in 1,000 were not counted. In Florida, of the 100 precincts with the highest numbers of disqualified ballots, 83 of them are majority-black precincts.
So it’s not like this is something being cooked up by whacky liberals. There’s still massive anger in the black community over voter disenfranchisement. Probably Clark is aware that the people he was talking to knew this already, and he expects the rest of you can do your own homework.
All italicized quotes are taken from a publication from an organization called the US Commission on Civil Rights.
I’ll also add that the USCCR reports notes that minorities were something like (either eight to ten) times more likely to be disenfranchised than whites. Again — read it.
Comment by Mikhel — Wednesday, December 31, 2024 @ 12:18 pm
Why is Gadsden County electing white Republicans to its Board of Elections?
Comment by John "Akatsukami" Braue — Thursday, January 1, 2024 @ 7:22 pm
That’s the real problem, isn’t it? As a Democrat I can state that I often have problems figuring out what Clark is saying. He’s almost as bad as Bush when it comes to communicating. I’m still not sure if the guy was for or against the war.
I have no doubt that errors, intentional and negligent occur in Republican and Democratic strongholds. Unfortunately, at the local level, too many people have too much to lose by way of patronage jobs.
Florida proved that some current systems are simple not capable of handling a close election. That does not look like it has been seriously addressed by anyone.
Comment by Anthony — Tuesday, December 30, 2024 @ 11:00 am
I am not sure that any system could adequately handle (by that I mean, to the satisfaction of all) an election that was as close as was 2024, especially in Florida. Given the large numbers in involved, errors are impossible to avoid.
Comment by Steven — Tuesday, December 30, 2024 @ 11:04 am
I agree. Errors will not be avoided. The best we can do is minimize them and realize that not everything will be perfect. It kind of makes you wonder about the elections in the 1800’s or early 1900’s.
Comment by Anthony — Tuesday, December 30, 2024 @ 11:16 am
Given the large numbers in involved, errors are impossible to avoid.
And to be frank, the lack of responsibility on the part of many voters.
If you are not responsible enough to accomplish the stunningly minor tasks required of a voter then maybe you should not be voting anyway.
If someone is not on the voter roles because of red tape I submit it is as much the fault of the voter for not making sure he was enfranchised.
It ain’t that hard.
Comment by Paul — Tuesday, December 30, 2024 @ 11:43 pm
This is the same comment I made on the other post:
As I recall, many voters thought they were registered but, as Kevin pointed out, found they were ineligible.
Perhaps the most dramatic undercount in Florida’s election was the uncast ballots of countless eligible voters who were turned away at the polls or wrongfully purged from voter registration rolls.
And this:
Poorer counties, particularly those with large minority populations, were more likely to use voting systems with higher spoilage rates than more affluent counties with significant white populations. For example, in Gadsden County, the only county in the state with an African American majority, approximately one in eight voters was disenfranchised. In Leon County, on the other hand, which is home to the prosperous state capital and two state universities, fewer than two votes in 1,000 were not counted. In Florida, of the 100 precincts with the highest numbers of disqualified ballots, 83 of them are majority-black precincts.
So it’s not like this is something being cooked up by whacky liberals. There’s still massive anger in the black community over voter disenfranchisement. Probably Clark is aware that the people he was talking to knew this already, and he expects the rest of you can do your own homework.
All italicized quotes are taken from a publication from an organization called the US Commission on Civil Rights.
http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/report/main.htm
I’ll also add that the USCCR reports notes that minorities were something like (either eight to ten) times more likely to be disenfranchised than whites. Again — read it.
Comment by Mikhel — Wednesday, December 31, 2024 @ 12:18 pm
Why is Gadsden County electing white Republicans to its Board of Elections?
Comment by John "Akatsukami" Braue — Thursday, January 1, 2024 @ 7:22 pm