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Sunday, December 17, 2024
By Dr. Steven Taylor

From this morning’s MTP is the exchange I mentioned this morning:

FMR. REP. GINGRICH: You close down any Web site that is jihadist.

MR. RUSSERT: But who makes that judgment?

FMR. REP. GINGRICH: Look, I—you can appoint three federal judges if you want to and say, “Review this stuff and tell us which ones to close down.” I would just like to have them be federal judges who’ve served in combat.

MR. RUSSERT: Are you concerned, however, that with carte blanche, that the government could move in and say, “This mosque is closed, this Web site is shut down”?

FMR. REP. GINGRICH: No. You have—you have more censorship in the McCain-Feingold bill, which blocks the right of free speech about American campaigns than you have from the FBI closing down jihadists. We’ve already limited the First Amendment right of free speech by a set of rules that are stunningly absurd. In California, you can raise soft money to run negative commercials attacking your opponent through the state party and you cannot raise soft money to run a positive commercial on behalf of your own candidate. That’s California state law. It’s stunningly stupid and a clear infringement of free speech.

So we’ve had a 30-year period of saying it’s OK to infringe free speech as long as it’s about politics. But now if you want to be a jihadist, and you want to go kill people, well who are we to say that’s morally wrong? I think that’s suicidal. I’m using the word deliberately. A country—a Supreme Court justice once said “The Constitution is not a suicide pact.” This country has every right to defend itself, and you saw the same thing recently on this U.S. Airlines provocation, where you had six people go way out of their way to cause trouble, and then claim they were infringed upon. And I think, frankly, the president should invite that U.S. Airlines crew to the White House and thank them, because we ought to set a standard that if you’re provocative about killing people, we’re not going to show you any mercy.

Numerous things come to mind.

First, how does one know which web sites will result in terrorist activity? Where is magic the Divining Rod of Truth going to be found that can be plugged into a governmental USB port to let us know that, “yep, this is one bad site. Shut’er down!”

Second, if we are going to start targeting and shutting down “hate” sites that might led to violence are also going to shut down white supremacist sites, right wing anti-government sites, extreme environmentalist sites, anti-immigrant sites? Where will we stop? The ability to abuse these kinds of powers is immense. Might not a liberal-leaning panel of judges worry about sites (or at least the commenters) at blogs like Little Green Footballs? We have already seen the government of India decide that some US blog, like The Jawa Report are too dangerous to allow in the country. Do we really want to empower the US federal government in like fashion? I find the fact that someone like Gingrich is so vocal in support of such a position to be very disturbing.

Third, in general, conservatives have long argued that “hate laws” are problematic because it is difficult to quantify “hatred” when assessing a crime and enforcing penalties. The argument has long been that the issue at hand is the action of the individuals, not how much “hate” a person might harbor in their hearts.

Fourth, why in the world would judges with combat experience be better suited to render decisions on the content of websites and their likely influence over behavior? I have great respect for those who serve in our armed forces, but there is nothing about service that necessarily equates to greater wisdom than civilians. Further, in this type of proposal–one that goes directly to questions of the democratic rights of citizens–it is a pernicious thing to assume that having been in combat provides special insight. What would being shot at have to do with one’s ability to discern when the First Amendment ought to be abridged? Indeed, one with a military background might well be predisposed to more order than freedom (although perhaps that is Gingrich’s goal).

Fifth, if current speech restrictions are “stunningly absurd” why does that somehow translate into Gingrich thinking that more speech restrictions are therefore okay? There is some serious intellectual discontinuity going on here.

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    1. Why would we want to shut such sites down instead of keeping them open where we can monitor and gain intelligence from then and the people who access such sites? Less free speech is never a good option.

      Comment by Rob M — Sunday, December 17, 2024 @ 4:53 pm

    2. I would just like to have them be federal judges who’ve served in combat.

      WTF?????????????

      Would somebody please remind me of Gingrich’s own tenure in the U.S. armed forces?

      And failing that, by his own criterion, would he kindly STFU?

      I am increasingly convinced that the Gingriches and Cheneys don’t honestly believe in America. They don’t think that liberal democracy “works,” since evidently they think it’s inadequate to deal with the machinations of some fanatics in caves somewhere.

      I just wish they’d be a lot more candid about their lack of faith in this country and its values.

      Comment by Anderson — Sunday, December 17, 2024 @ 5:51 pm

    3. Where is magic the Divining Rod of Truth going to be found that can be plugged into a governmental USB port to let us know that, “yep, this is one bad site. Shut’er down!”

      How about we shut down any websites which are advocating the commission of a felony?

      Comment by Maniakes — Sunday, December 17, 2024 @ 7:53 pm

    4. Q. How about we shut down any websites which are advocating the commission of a felony?

      A. Because that itself would be illegal. In which case, you may have just broken your own proposed suggestion.

      Comment by Anderson — Sunday, December 17, 2024 @ 9:05 pm

    5. Fighting terrorism is the legitimating principle that he’s working with here, and it’s not a surprise that he’s attempt ting to make all other principles circle around it. Like all other strong legitmating principles, it has the rhetorical effect of insulating advocates of particular measures from criticism about those measures. It’s also an effective electoral tool, although perhaps the public is getting wise to it.

      It’s really not that different from the widespread claim made by the GOP (especially, if I recall, Cheney and Laura Bush) that “people were listening” during the campaign, and that we should be mindful of the effect of our democratic electoral debate on those who would take heart from seeing Americans apparently divided on the war.

      The basic premise seems to be that societies that are less open, more rigid, more reticent, and more centrally directed, will be better at countering the threat from terrorism. It is precisely the wrong approach. Why the right wing critique of government in domestic affairs doesn’t translate into a similar critique in this area is beyond me.

      Comment by Brett Marston (guestblogger) — Monday, December 18, 2024 @ 12:46 pm

    6. Gingrich Out-McCains McCain

      Thus ever from tyrants:FMR. REP. GINGRICH: [T]he FBI now reports that this jihadist almost certainly became a jihadist — he’s an American living in Illinois, and he’s getting on the Inter…

      Trackback by A Stitch in Haste — Monday, December 18, 2024 @ 2:04 pm

    7. I’ve read this post and Mr. Gingrich’s words every day since it was first posted. I still just can’t bring myself to comment about it. The day I honestly have to explain it to people … the day they really don’t get it … even if they just find his plan “understandable given the circumstances.” I just don’t know. We’re beyond hope. At that point, terrorists are about as dangerous as my cat, Spooky. Maybe we’re at that point and I just refuse to accept it. If so, it’s over. It’s all over.

      Comment by Dan — Tuesday, December 19, 2024 @ 4:02 am

    8. On a frivolous note in this otherwise very serious conversation, we used to have a cat named Spooky.

      Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Tuesday, December 19, 2024 @ 7:22 am

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