Yesterday, when addressing the NRA, Rudy Giuliani stated, in reference to the MoveOn.org “Petraeus or Betray US?” ad, the following:
It passed a line we should not allow American political organizations to pass.
That is my transcription of the quote as broadcast on Special Report with Brit Hume on Friday September 21, 2025–and rewound thrice via TiVo to make sure I got it right. I have seen the quote in two other places where the “It” was replaced by either “They” (Marc Ambinder) or “We” (MSNBC’s “First Read” blog). Ambinder includes the next sentence, not aired on the aforementioned broadcast:
We are at war right now, whether some people want to recognize it or not.
I was unaware that there was a “line” in the United States of America that we couldn’t cross in terms of political speech. Indeed, if any speech should have absolute protection it is political speech. I am not a MoveOn.org booster, but I fully recognize and support their right to say what they wish in the public square. One could interpret his statement as one that simply points to decorum, but when a presidential candidates starts slinging words around like “allow” one should take notice (especially a candidate who has already demonstrate that he may have an expansive view of executive authority).
Further, isn’t one of the alleged motivations for fighting these wars the protection of our liberties? Rudy, doesn’t seem to see it that way. Rather, he seems to be saying that citizens of the United States of America can’t criticize the war or its leaders. How does that, in any way, comport with the letter or the spirit of the the First Amendment’s free speech clause? Indeed, given the high stakes of war, shouldn’t that be the best time to be critical? The vibe here, like the vibe from the administration, comes across essentially as: once the war starts, everyone should shut up, support the troops (meaning the war policy itself) and, btw, Congress should fund the fighting, but shouldn’t try to interfere in any way). This is all far too authoritarian a view of the executive power for my tastes, thanks.
I also find the notion that interest groups/individuals shouldn’t criticize generals in particular to be distasteful. While I respect the service of those in our military, placing them on a pedestal is a dangerous and undemocratic game. And I especially find the ongoing beatification of Petreaus to be especially odd.
What is especially disturbing is that there hasn’t been much (if any) scrutiny over his views on free expression, but rather it appears that the issue of the day is the cell phone call from his wife. Indeed, that little bit of dinner theater appears to be getting even more press than the fact the Rudy seems to have conveniently adjusted his gun control views for the purposes of the campaign. His explanation for the shift? 9/11, of course.
Gee, I missed that part about passing laws or something the executive could request.
Maybe Guiliani meant that as citizens we should find this a repulsive denigration for no reason other than political one upmanship and make our feeling known to such organizations.
Of course, I also know that in some quarters (a college campus e.g.) the first impulse is “ban that.” Not so much for most of America.
Comment by Sadie — Saturday, September 22, 2025 @ 4:51 pm
You’re putting way too much in to what Guliani said. He didn’t say that MoveOn or anybody else doesn’t have the right to say what they did. Reducing this to a first amendment issue purposely misses the point. Don’t read in a threat into a royal “we”. The right of speech doesn’t protect one from criticism
MoveOn.Org entered the conversation by making some really hard hitting accusations with cutesy word play. Cool. Protected speech. Nothing RG said dealt with first amendment protections.
There are lots of lines that people and organizations shouldn’t cross and remain in the mainstream conversations of the USA. Many, especially on the right half of the political divide (and about half on the left side if the 72-25 senate rebuke is to be belived) think they crossed a line that put them outside the bounds mainstream polite political conversation.
Reducing it to a first amendment issue totally misses the point of Guliani’s comment. There are lots of lines that shouldn’t be crossed. Calling for removal of the right of suffrage for African Americans is protected speech, however it crosses a line that puts one outside the mainstream of modern political discourse. Random accusations of betrayal in a time of war are in the same category. The fact that they are still in mainstream says more about modern Democrats than it does about Guliani.
Comment by Buckland — Saturday, September 22, 2025 @ 9:36 pm
Amongst the things about this entire affair that I find to be amazing include the fact that this horrible, hideous insult that crosses the line has been repeated over and over again by grandstanding politicians. How many citizens who would not have even heard this heinous insult had politicians not spent the last week or so railing against its horror for no other reason than scoring cheap political points?
If was really such a terrible thing, it would have done away one heck of lot faster were it not for all the faux outrage.
And to be fair, I can’t see how this issue especially stains the Democrats. Not only have plenty of Democrats expressed their outrage, but it has been both sides that have seen this as a fantastic opportunity to hammer on a fake issue.
Ultimately, Rudy can say what he likes (as can you, me and MoverOn.org). Ultimately, however, I would prefer a president who has a healthier respect for basic rights. Rudy in particular concerns me on this issue, as I do think he has a bit of an authoritarian streak–not unlike the current administration. And certainly the current administration has made me gun shy of such attitudes.
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Saturday, September 22, 2025 @ 9:52 pm
Everyone misses the one little word “or” that stops the ad from calling the general anything. The ad was asking a question. How this country and politicians can be so easily side tracked is sad.
[…] Yesterday, when addressing the NRA, Rudy Giuliani stated, in reference to the MoveOn.org Petraeus or Betray US? ad, the following: It passed a line we should not allow American political organizations to pass … that there was a line in the United States of America that we couldnt cross in terms of political speech. Indeed source: Rudy and the First Amendment: More on the…, PoliBlog : A Rough Draft of my Thoughts […]
Chile’s Supreme Court has approved the extradition of Peru’s former President Alberto Fujimori to face human rights abuses and corruption charges.
The oddest thing about the whole tale is that Fujimori went to Chile in an attempt to return to Peru so that he could run for the presidency. What the man was thinking in that regard is beyond me, as he was in exile as a direct result of his time in that office. Of course, I guess if one was once willing to dismiss the Congress, tear up the constitution and give oneself overblown executive powers and an extended term in office, one probably has an overactive ego.
In the NyTimes, I think Alberto was quoted as saying how he was “looking forward” to being back with his people in Peru.
Of course, his party still has a significant presence, and I guess he assumes the political winds are capricous in the country.
Comment by Ratoe — Saturday, September 22, 2025 @ 11:16 am
There may be politicians loyal to him in the system, but Fujimori never really had a party to speak of. He had not party whatsoever when he ran in 1990 and if memory serves, he never really created one.
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Saturday, September 22, 2025 @ 11:32 am
Ailing Cuban leader Fidel Castro has made his first TV appearance for three months, ending speculation that he had died or suffered a major relapse.
Mr Castro, 81 has not appeared in public since July last year when he underwent emergency intestinal surgery.
The video contained the requisite “proof of life” elements, which always makes them seem as much like a ransom video than an intereview:
In the taped interview, Mr Castro spoke slowly with long pauses about a range of topics including the strength of the euro against the dollar.
“Yesterday the euro was at $1.41. Oil I think about $84 a barrel,” he said, suggesting that he was up to date on current affairs and that the interview was very recent.
He also showed a copy of a book by former US Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, which was published this week.
Given that the rumors of his death were rampant just shy of a month ago, one would think that he hasn’t been doing too well, else he would have made it to airwaves before now.
I must confess, this shadow dance over his status continually reminds me of a reverse version of that running SNL joke from the 1970s: “Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.”
I love how he is still sporting the Adidas track suit with his name on it. It reminds me of when Bush visits his friendly military crowds wearing windbreakers with “Commander In Chief” embroidered on it.
Comment by Ratoe — Saturday, September 22, 2025 @ 11:18 am
It’s like he has some sort of need to wear the same thing all the time. For decades it was the fatigues and now its the track suit.
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Saturday, September 22, 2025 @ 11:33 am
An MIT student wearing what turned out to be a fake bomb was arrested at gunpoint Friday at Logan International Airport and later claimed it was artwork and that she was there to meet her boyfriend, officials said.
Star Simpson, 19, had a white computer circuit board and wiring over a black hooded sweat shirt she was wearing, said State Police Maj. Scott Pare, the commanding officer at the airport.
[…]
The battery-powered rectangular device had nine flashing lights, Pare said. Simpson also had Play-Doh in her hands, he said.
The phrases “Socket to me” and “Course VI” were written on the back of sweat shirt, which authorities displayed to the media. Course VI appears to be a reference to MIT’s major of electrical engineering and computer science.
First, off: of the airports at which to test airport security’s aesthetic acumen, Logan International is an especially poor choice.
Still, given the description of the device (and the video at WBZ’s site) and the following response, one has to wonder about how far we have come in the last six years (and I don’t mean in a good way) in terms of overreaction to possible threats:
“She was immediately told to stop, to raise her hands and not to make any movement, so we could observe all her movements to see if she was trying to trip any type of device,” Pare said. “Had she not followed the protocol, we might have used deadly force.”
I am not sure that flashing lights on a circuit board qualifies for the potential use of deadly force. Indeed, the incident reminded me of a post at OTB yesterday. It seems as if we have decided that we need to jettison common sense because of what happened on 9/11/01.
“Airport Employees, Police Mistake Electrical Artwork on Sweatshirt for Fake Bomb”
Comment by Nico — Friday, September 21, 2025 @ 2:07 pm
This otherwise intelligent MIT student is very lucky that the professionalism of the law enforcement officers kept this situation in check. Do you have any idea how these things play out in countries where national security professionals are not so professional? A lot of Americans seem to think these days that law enforcement and national security is a joke; some sort of scare tactic of the Bush administration they loath. Well, regardless of your political opinions, we live in a place that a small but determined group of extremists wants to destroy. They don’t care that you are a conservative or a liberal or even tuned out of politics. They care only that you are not a Muslim, and for that you must die. The professionals at Logan International are prepared to meet that threat, and they don’t have the luxury to determine if some hooded person with a “device” is holding Play-Doh or something else meant to do harm. Rational people understand this and do not prank airport security for this reason. She is lucky.
Comment by JRCV — Friday, September 21, 2025 @ 5:31 pm
Maybe if authorities had used deadly force, they could have defended the shooting as performance art.
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What kind of idiots are running TSA. LEDs on a circuit board is no indication of a bomb. Don’t they know what real bombs look like? Haven’t they watched movies or the news?
Everyone knows what bombs look like.
Suitcases and backpacks.
It’s true. Suitcase bombs and backpacks filled with explosives.
They should be arresting everyone with suitcases and backpacks.
They probably should taser them first just to be safe.
Remember that Pan Am Flight 103 which crashed over Lockerbie Scotland was blown up by a Samsonite suitcase bomb and those subway and railyway bombings in London and Madrid used backpack bombs.
Someone should tell TSA to be on the lookout for suitcases and backpacks. That should keep them, and us, occupied.
Another thing, suitcases and backpacks are bad for business. If we just banned them, then everytime people traveled, they would have to buy new clothes, toiletries and gadgets. We would be safer and the economy would boom.
Ooops! I guess “boom” is not the right word.
Comment by rupert — Saturday, September 22, 2025 @ 10:29 am
Star Simpson should change her name to KNUCKLEHEAD SIMPSON, she is lucky they didn’t SHOOT HER. She ought to be made to do 200 hours of cleaning up garbage at the airport.
Comment by steve — Saturday, September 22, 2025 @ 10:58 am
It is a pity they did not shoot her. She would have received the prestigious Darwin Award posthumously. Immortality while judiciously thinning the herd. What a concept.
Comment by Dale — Sunday, September 23, 2025 @ 1:48 pm
What a country of weak-kneed cowards we have become. Wetting our pants over a piece of flashing electronic jewelry? OMG!
We need to listen to William Shatner and call the “terrified ones” Namby-Pambys and Momma’s Boys, which is what really are. I’m not afraid or terrified and none of us should be.
Do you folks not understand that what the terrorists want to do is terrorize us? Everyone who is terrified is doing exactly what they want us to do. Maybe “traitor” is a better label than “scaredy-cat” for people who think we should abandon essential civil liberties because of a handful of religious fanatics?
Since 9/11 more than 250,000 Americans have died in automobile accidents. In response to something like that, we make cars more expensive due to safety designs and we make people wear seat belts. 3,000 die in a terrorist attack, so we have to go out and have nearly 4,000 of our soldiers die, make 4,000,000 Iraqis abandon their homes, and spent $1 trillion.
Oh, and by the way, where is Osama bin Laden?
Comment by TerribleOne — Monday, September 24, 2025 @ 2:18 pm
Yeah, how dumb of her to not know that a circuit and battery exposed in any manner are obviously signs of being part of an explosive device. I’m sure she was behaving odd too, like when she walked up to the info desk and asked when a flight was arriving. Obviously the type of activity terrorists engage in, especially female 19 year-olds with bad highlights. Golly, they prolly woulda shot her ass if she’d shown up with an Ipod, or god forbid and old radio with wiring coming out of it anywhere. Cuz you know we have shit being blown up in america all the time, just the other week we lost 3 airliners when security didn’t properly screen out an 8-track full of c-4. And god forbid last month when the entire delta skybus line-up was demolished with shitty explosive HP laptops.
Or maybe this is another example of Boston security behaving like fucktards and over-reacting to anything that will help with the boredom of being stuck in logan all day. Especially when you need to justify your security budget each year and disapointingly their really arent that many terrorists willing to blow themselves up in the name of allah, the sanctity of the unborn, or whatever the ideological flavor of the week is.
To every fucktard who thinks she got it coming maybe you out to worry more about what innocent behavior you demonstrate that will get you a cavity search because some bored half-wit decides they want to fuck with you at the airport.
oh noes!!! Osama bin laden is under my bed and wants to make me wear a burqa…where is the TSA and michelle malkin to save the day??? The terrorists hordes are going to swim from Iraq and force us at box-cutter point to give up our way of life. Americans regularly kill each other for tailgating, tailgating for god’s sake. And you pussy’s think a few thousand unwashed cave-dwellers are going to take over the most violent nation on the planet with a population around 300 million meat-eating NASCAR watching assholes. Right…more likely than not your the 30% of the population still supporting the boy king and his idiot parties attempt to scare the country into voting for them from now on. Never mind that whole katrina thing and the fact that neither of our brush fire wars seems to be going anywhere expect for to shit and in a hurry. Your pathetic, get a fucking spine already…in america you should be able to wear a lightable led on your clothes without worrying some high-school drop out is going to have you surrounded by gun toting thugs for questioning.
Happy flying and don’t you fucking dare take toothpaste or shampoo to the airport. (osama loves exploding toothpaste…)
Comment by Zapan-X — Monday, September 24, 2025 @ 2:41 pm
I have largely avoided commenting on the MoveOn.org “General Petraeus or General Betray Us?” ad because, well, as noted yesterday, I believe that my outrage-o-meter is busted.
Now, Michael Kinsley, writing for Time (How Dare You) so perfectly captures the essence of the situation, I am compelled to take public notice.
Several things sprang to mind when the ad first materialized. First was that we are talking about MoveOn.org, and therefore there should have been no surprise from anyone about the fact that they were engaging in attention-getting, inflammatory rhetoric. Indeed, for those offended by or opposed to the ad, the grandest irony of all is that their apoplexy has made that ad buy far, far more valuable than it would have been had they just yawned and moved on (if you will forgive the turn of phrase). Second, since when is being a General a “get out of criticism free” card? Last time I checked, citizens of the US have free speech and all of that, and if someone wants to make silly rhymes in the newspaper, so what? Third, and more to the point, Petraeus is a big boy in a profession wherein getting shot at is part of the job description. I simply figure that he can handle a little playgroundesque mudslinging. Further, the man has a Ph.D. in International Relations from Princeton, so I am guessing he understands politics fairly well (not to mention that no one rises to the rank of General without exposure to the rough and tumble of the political world).
When it comes down to the ad itself, Kinsley pretty much sums up my views:
You could argue that since the verb betray and the noun traitor have the same root, the ad is accusing the head of American forces in Iraq of treason. The ad can also be interpreted — more plausibly if you consider the rest of the text — merely as questioning the general’s honesty, not his patriotism.
And beyond that,
But whatever your interpretation of the ad, all the gasping for air and waving of scented handkerchiefs among the war’s most enthusiastic supporters is pretty comical.
Indeed, and further:
All this drawing of uncrossable lines and issuing of fatuous fatwas is supposed to be a bad habit of the left. When right-wingers are attacking this habit rather than practicing it, they call it political correctness. The problem with political correctness is that it turns discussions of substance into arguments over etiquette. The last thing that supporters of the war want to talk about at this point is the war. They’d far rather talk about this insult to General Petraeus. It just isn’t done in polite society, it seems, to criticize a general in the middle of a war. (Although, when else?)
Double indeed.
And somehow this whole thing has risen to the level of requiring a Senate Resolution condemning the ad.
Isn’t it rather unseemly for a democratic institution taking the time out its busy schedule to condemn a group of citizens who expressed a political opinion?
Talk about sound and fury signifying nothing…
I will repeat: all of the outrage over the ad has made the ad more well known and has radically amplified the impact of the ad buy itself.
Beyond that, it just seems we have a lot more rather important issues to be dealing with than whether an interest group said something mean about David Petraeus.
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Yes, but by condemning the ad in a resolution, Congressional Democrats don’t have to follow up by returning any checks or anything. The Democrats wanted this resolution as much as any of the Republicans.
Comment by Max Lybbert — Friday, September 21, 2025 @ 9:04 am
[…] Dr. Steven Taylor refers to the story by Kingsley as "More evidence of my outrage deficiency" […]
[…] Our own Sean Farrell raised these thoughts to my frontal lobes with this latest example showing why Congress is not fit to run the Attorney General’s office. (Not least because the attorney firing “scandal” has shown the only improper political meddling to date to have come from Congress, though sadly one from the President’s own, and my, party.) Even Poliblogger, legislative supremacist that he is, agrees with Mr. Farrell that Congress, or the Republicans in it plus pundits, is and are obsessing about nonsense. […]
No matter whether you are offended or approve of MoveOn.org’s add, the simple truth as I see it, is that I served in the military and went to the middle east to defend freedom, including freedom of speech. That includes political speech that runs counter to one’s personal opionion. In my humble view, it is Bush who is “Disgusting” for trying to block people from expressing their view. These folks have the same rights as anyone else under our Constitution. While that might be annoying to some, it is one of the foundations of a free society.
Comment by A. Cunningham — Friday, September 21, 2025 @ 9:08 pm
[…] I have noted before that I am not prone to a lot of outrage, and I am not outraged by statements by Rush Limbaugh that service members who support U.S. withdrawal are “phony soldiers”, but I do think that it takes an awful lot of gall to make such statements after the over-the-top reaction to the MoveOn.org “Petraeus or Betray Us?” ad, as I thought it was supposedly verboten to call into question the integrity of our men and women in combat. Indeed, if MoveOn.org had called some of our soldiers in harm’s way “phony” one guesses that the same group who got up in arms over the Petraeus ad would be up in arms over this. (Not so much, it would seem). […]
The Natural Resources Ministry said tests on soil samples showed Russia was linked to the Lomonosov Ridge.
[…]
Under a United Nations convention, the country claiming ownership of the region’s ocean floor must show evidence that the seabed is an extension of their continental shelf.
As the map with the story indicates, this would be a substantial boost to Russian claims over the arctic circle.
For all the time and money that the candidates have invested, a large number of voters in each party remains uncommitted or willing to change their minds four months before voting begins.
This should be a surprise to no one–there are a plethora of candidates (the most in some time, if not ever) and no votes will be cast for many months.
And, for that matter, the candidates aren’t (despite the compressed schedule) campaigning in such a way as to target a mass audience.
Perhaps my outrage-o-meter is busted, but I just don’t see the point to the apoplexy that is roiling through certain elements of the rightward Blogosphere today over the fact that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad wants to visit Ground Zero and will speak at Columbia University.
Part of my basic response is to wonder why some think that we are so weak as to be unable to withstand this man’s presence and his words. It seems to me that the whole thing (and the responses of various presidential candidates) just makes us look petty and frightened.
Maybe it is just a stunt to make him look good. One thing is for sure…denying him the opportunity doesn’t make us look good.
Now, I can understand the question of whether the NYPD ought to be providing special security, but that doesn’t require a race to outrage.
More than the Ground Zero request, I don’t see the point of the outrage over the visit to Columbia. The fact of the matter is, half of the time that Ahmadinejad will spend will be a Q&A segment, in which his controversial ideas will have to be defended in an open forum.
As James Joyner rightly notes:
highlighting Ahmadinejad’s crazy, evil ideas and forcing him to defend them is the most surefire way I can think of to make students throw off the silly notion that all regimes and ideas are equal.
Further, the event is at School of International and Public Affairs–surely the opportunity to see and hear a key world leader, even one who is antagonistic to the US and who has some repugnant ideas, is a useful educational moment. Any process that could lead to a better understanding of a key state in current global affairs is a good thing.
I will confess: part of my problem is that I long ago ran out of outrage for issues that are ultimately unimportant. I try to reserve my outrage for things that are truly outrageous–and this doesn’t qualify.
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Thursday, September 20, 2025 @ 10:12 am
Not only is outrage a good business model, so is hypocrisy. Apparently the Powerline, Hugh Hewitt, and others are upset that he is allowed to go Columbia, and are tying it in to the blocked Summers trip to USC. You see- Summers should be allowed to go, and this guy should not.
It isn’t that they oppose ‘censorship,’ it is that they want to be the one censoring.
For the record, I have no problem with either of them making their respective visits, and I have no problem with the respective schools deciding who they choose to invite.
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Thursday, September 20, 2025 @ 1:49 pm
[…] Along those lines, I had the following e-mail exchange with Michael Ledeen today, whose views on these matters — in light of his new book, the various and increasingly absurd Iran “controversies”, and his status as favorite right-wing Iran “expert” — I really was hoping to probe in order to write about: […]
The question is not so much why not let him go to Ground Zero but why let him go anywhere at all within our borders? We jail our own criminals so why let this international criminal free access for photo ops that will enhance his power and insult the United States abroad?
He almost certainly took part in the taking of US embassy hostages. His government supplies forces killing US troops in Iraq. His government is pursuing a nuclear weapons program. His government sponsors terrorism around the world. Let’s not forget he’s as crazy as they come (the UN speech and the glow that surrounded him, the prophecy of the lost Imam and the end of the world).
A guest in my house is treated as a guest until they do something to insult me as host. This wacko has already insulted us and a good portion of humanity before he’s even gotten through the front door. We need no opportunity to discredit his ideas since they have been discredited many times before.
This is worth some outrage, as least as much as was given to the President for thanking the 36 nations helping us in Iraq.
Comment by Steve Plunk — Thursday, September 20, 2025 @ 4:47 pm
Let’s not forget he’s as crazy as they come (the UN speech and the glow that surrounded him, the prophecy of the lost Imam and the end of the world).
It’s new york. No one will tell the difference between him and the other lunatics spewing prophecies. FWIW, his visit will be less obnoxious than the GOP convention. What’s one more theocratic homophobe?
- NY’er.
Comment by jpe — Thursday, September 20, 2025 @ 5:57 pm
Any visit is a problem because of the propaganda and you all need to take the symbolism much more seriously since many dictatorship care about this. Orwell understood how important symbols are for dictators and we should realize how this would play to the world.
Comment by Mark — Thursday, September 20, 2025 @ 7:49 pm
But, of course, the symbolism can work in various directions.
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Thursday, September 20, 2025 @ 7:52 pm
Yes, Mark, brilliant. Luckily political leaders in democracies NEVER manipulate symbolism.
I’ll have another order of Freedom Fires, please….
Comment by Ratoe — Thursday, September 20, 2025 @ 9:45 pm
Iran’s President And 911’s Ground Zero: Bomb Site Is No Disneyland
Was this deja vu all over again?
Not quite. But there did seem to be some whispers from the past….
On Sept. 19, 1959, at the height of the Cold War, then Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev was barred from visiting Disneyland, leading him to explod…
Iran’s President And 911’s Ground Zero: Bomb Site Is No Disneyland
Was this deja vu all over again?
Not quite. But there did seem to be some whispers from the past….
On Sept. 19, 1959, at the height of the Cold War, then Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev was barred from visiting Disneyland, leading him to explod…
Iran’s President And 911’s Ground Zero: Bomb Site Is No Disneyland
Was this deja vu all over again?
Not quite. But there did seem to be some whispers from the past….
On Sept. 19, 1959, at the height of the Cold War, then Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev was barred from visiting Disneyland, leading him to explod…
[…] I have largely avouded commenting on the MoveOn.org “General Petraeus or General Betray Us?” ad because, well, as noted yesterday, I believe that my outrage-o-meter is busted. […]
The problem with the Columbia visit is that it makes higher ed look bad, and acts as confirmation of the “tenured radical” view of American universities.
Now, UC Davis and Columbia are NOT the same school, and neither is under any obligation to coordinate with the other, but the symbolic thrust of UC Davis disinviting Larry Summers one week, and having Columbia invite Ahmadinejad the next — well, it’s just not good.
Of course, I don’t think the solution is to disinvite Ahmadinejad — that model leads to the complete abandonment of discussion altogether. Perhaps instead creating an academic atmosphere into which a Larry Summers can also speak.
Freedom’s Watch President Bradley A. Blakeman released a statement and a copy of the print advertisement it has requested to be run in the Monday edition of the New York Times.
“Freedom’s Watch could not sit back and allow a terrorist to come to
America masquerading as a world leader. We have an obligation to warn the
world of the dangers of a nuclear Iran and to uncover the true intent, that
being, the destruction of the United States and the State of Israel.
Let’s be clear, Iran today kills American soldiers in Iraq and they will not stop
there,” said Bradley A. Blakeman, President of Freedom’s Watch.
The text of the advertisement follows:
Ahmadinejad Is A Terrorist
Columbia University is wrong to give him a platform.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad threatens our nation and the
freedoms we value. He has supported attacks on our soldiers and our allies.
He should be treated as the terrorist that he is.
Yet, while Columbia gives a terrorist like Ahmadinejad a platform to
speak, they refuse to allow the ROTC on campus.
What has happened to this prestigious university?
People who support killing Americans are welcome. But the military that
defends them is not.
Columbia should be ashamed of its actions.
Freedom’s Watch knows that America and the forces of freedom are right.
We know the threat of terrorism is real. And we know Democracy must
prevail.
The terrorists and their appeasers are wrong.
“And God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon
experience a world without the United States and Zionism.”
— Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
(CNN, 10/27/05)
______
Thank You Freedom’s Watch For Taking A Stand For OUR Country And Troops!
[…] I have noted before that I am not prone to a lot of outrage, and I am not outraged by statements by Rush Limbaugh that service members who support U.S. withdrawal are “phony soldiers”, but I do think that it takes an awful lot of gall to make such statements after the over-the-top reaction to the MoveOn.org “Petraeus or Betray Us?” ad, as I thought it was supposedly verboten to call into question the integrity of our men and women in combat. Indeed, if MoveOn.org had called some of our soldiers in harm’s way “phony” one guesses that the same group who got up in arms over the Petraeus ad would be up in arms over this. (Not so much, it would seem). […]
An international team of astronomers say that Neptune, long dismissed as a cobalt-blue gas giant cloaked in deathly cold, has a relatively warm south pole.
[…]
A Neptunian “year” is the same as 165 Earth years, for this is the time the distant planet takes to circle the Sun.
Because of the planet’s tilt, the south pole has been exposed to the Sun for the past 40 years, creating a relative “hot spot,” the CNRS said.
Eventually, as Neptune continues its crawl around the Sun, the south pole will be darkened and the north will be illuminated, and the methane escape will shift there.
“In 80 years, when Neptune’s north pole emerges into summer, we can expect the situation to be reversed,” the CNRS said.
No commentary–I just think that space news is cool.
But here’s some Neptunian trivia gleaned from the story: Neptune has the strongest winds of any planet in the solar system, topping 1,200 mph.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy has announced more than 22,000 job cuts in the civil service in order to reform the country’s bulging public sector.
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“I want a public service that is smaller, better paid and with better career prospects,” he said.
“What I am proposing is a cultural revolution, a revolution for changing the way we think, for changing behaviour.”
Mr Sarkozy’s announcement means that next year one in three retiring public sector workers will not be replaced. That figure could rise in the future.
Well, Sarkozy did come to office promising to make major changes to the state’s approach to the economy and specifically to work. One wonders how well such moves will go over, however.
Gee, I missed that part about passing laws or something the executive could request.
Maybe Guiliani meant that as citizens we should find this a repulsive denigration for no reason other than political one upmanship and make our feeling known to such organizations.
Of course, I also know that in some quarters (a college campus e.g.) the first impulse is “ban that.” Not so much for most of America.
Comment by Sadie — Saturday, September 22, 2025 @ 4:51 pm
You’re putting way too much in to what Guliani said. He didn’t say that MoveOn or anybody else doesn’t have the right to say what they did. Reducing this to a first amendment issue purposely misses the point. Don’t read in a threat into a royal “we”. The right of speech doesn’t protect one from criticism
MoveOn.Org entered the conversation by making some really hard hitting accusations with cutesy word play. Cool. Protected speech. Nothing RG said dealt with first amendment protections.
There are lots of lines that people and organizations shouldn’t cross and remain in the mainstream conversations of the USA. Many, especially on the right half of the political divide (and about half on the left side if the 72-25 senate rebuke is to be belived) think they crossed a line that put them outside the bounds mainstream polite political conversation.
Reducing it to a first amendment issue totally misses the point of Guliani’s comment. There are lots of lines that shouldn’t be crossed. Calling for removal of the right of suffrage for African Americans is protected speech, however it crosses a line that puts one outside the mainstream of modern political discourse. Random accusations of betrayal in a time of war are in the same category. The fact that they are still in mainstream says more about modern Democrats than it does about Guliani.
Comment by Buckland — Saturday, September 22, 2025 @ 9:36 pm
Amongst the things about this entire affair that I find to be amazing include the fact that this horrible, hideous insult that crosses the line has been repeated over and over again by grandstanding politicians. How many citizens who would not have even heard this heinous insult had politicians not spent the last week or so railing against its horror for no other reason than scoring cheap political points?
If was really such a terrible thing, it would have done away one heck of lot faster were it not for all the faux outrage.
And to be fair, I can’t see how this issue especially stains the Democrats. Not only have plenty of Democrats expressed their outrage, but it has been both sides that have seen this as a fantastic opportunity to hammer on a fake issue.
Ultimately, Rudy can say what he likes (as can you, me and MoverOn.org). Ultimately, however, I would prefer a president who has a healthier respect for basic rights. Rudy in particular concerns me on this issue, as I do think he has a bit of an authoritarian streak–not unlike the current administration. And certainly the current administration has made me gun shy of such attitudes.
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Saturday, September 22, 2025 @ 9:52 pm
Everyone misses the one little word “or” that stops the ad from calling the general anything. The ad was asking a question. How this country and politicians can be so easily side tracked is sad.
Comment by The Misanthrope — Sunday, September 23, 2025 @ 7:20 pm
[…] Yesterday, when addressing the NRA, Rudy Giuliani stated, in reference to the MoveOn.org Petraeus or Betray US? ad, the following: It passed a line we should not allow American political organizations to pass … that there was a line in the United States of America that we couldnt cross in terms of political speech. Indeed source: Rudy and the First Amendment: More on the…, PoliBlog : A Rough Draft of my Thoughts […]
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