Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) was arrested in June at a Minnesota airport by a plainclothes police officer investigating lewd conduct complaints in a men’s public restroom, according to an arrest report obtained by Roll Call Monday afternoon.
Craig’s arrest occurred just after noon on June 11 at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport. On Aug. 8, he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor disorderly conduct in the Hennepin County District Court. He paid more than $500 in fines and fees, and a 10-day jail sentence was stayed. He also was given one year of probation with the court that began on Aug. 8.
The story has the details of the allegations. The short version is that it appears that Craig was seeking a sexual encounter in a Minneapolis men’s room.
The key issue here is that he pled guilty. If this was all a misunderstanding, as Craig has alleged, then one would think one would have pled not guilty. Who in the right mind would plead guilty to disorderly conduct simply because they accidentally bumped feet with someone? Indeed, Craig’s statement makes little sense (source: story linked below):
“I was not involved in any inappropriate conduct. I should have had the advice of counsel in resolving this matter. In hindsight, I should not have pled guilty. I was trying to handle this matter myself quickly and expeditiously.”
What, is he asserting that he is smart enough to be a Senator, but not smart enough to know how to plead?
The whole thing strikes me as, among other things, quite sad and pathetic. The evidence suggests a life plagued by an internal struggle over identity that lead to actions such as the one that got him arrested in Minneapolis.
Marc Ambinder has a run-down of some of the political implications.
In almost every jurisdiction the defendant is required, under oath, to state that he is pleading guilty because he is fact guilty and is required to described with particularity the nature of his crime
He pled guilty to “disorderly conduct.” It’s easy enough to say “sure, I may have been disorderly, and what’s $50″ (or whatever the fine was, especially compared to fighting it at trial — just try getting a lawyer for $50).
Reading the officer’s account of things ( http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/08/gop_senator_larry_craig_arrested_for_lewd_conduct.html ), I have to say (1) my gut feeling is that he was guilty, and (2) my other gut feeling is that the case would have been thrown out had it gone to trial (”I put my bag down by the door and tapped my foot? That’s all you got? How is that disorderly?”).
But, hey, what’s the fun of taking on “gay causes” if you don’t get to smear the other side for being gay? (Directed at the hypocritical Democratic Party, not our gracious host). I mean, why isn’t Hillary out in front saying that Senator Craig needs our understanding and support?
Comment by Max Lybbert — Tuesday, August 28, 2024 @ 9:11 am
Kip: Interesting point.
Max: I suppose I just can’t see pleading guilty to anything, especially if I were a Senator, if, indeed, all I did was tap my foot and put my bag down. My sense of righteous indignation at being arrested for going to the bathroom would make it impossible for me to simply plead guilty. As such, the guilty plea speaks volumes to me.
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Tuesday, August 28, 2024 @ 9:29 am
On the way to work, I heard on the radio that he’s paid over $500 in fines. So it’s not the kind of punishment I originally though of based on the charge.
I don’t know what the standard of proof is. I can’t say if it’s “beyond reasonable doubt,” or something less. But, yes, my gut reaction is that there is probably something there. OTOH, I don’t think it would stick in a legal case. But then he’d be in the news for fighting the accusation. It’s a lose-lose. I think his plan was to keep things quiet, which almost worked.
Comment by Max Lybbert — Tuesday, August 28, 2024 @ 11:45 am
What happened with Sen. Craig is indicative of what happens when people who really aren’t religious pretend to be, just to conjure up votes from groups that wouldn’t otherwise vote for them. That’s why the public shouldn’t buy into the “my faith is a true part of me” trickery from certain presidential candidates whose views otherwise show their disdain for religion and largely the Christian faith.
Comment by CJ Madden — Wednesday, August 29, 2024 @ 4:11 pm
Craig says he’s not gay. Sure, with his wife by his side, he’s bi. But this is typical cruising for perverted gay sex.
Comment by N Waff — Wednesday, August 29, 2024 @ 6:17 pm
I appreciate the logical tone of this article. So, if Craig wasn’t guilty, why did he plead guilty? Two reasons come to mind. One, he didn’t trust the judicial system, Two, he simply didn’t want this type of exposure. I think the latter is most likely. Still, giving him the benefit of the doubt, as Kip stated, saying you are guilty when you are not is purjery. So even if he is innocent regarding the incident, he is openly not innocent on this fact.
Would he would have got this thrown out of court if he confronted it (pled not guilty)? If he did, it would likely only be because he had access and funds for the best legal defense. And…if he did, I suppose all others that have been caught in Minneapolis and other cities would use his success to fight their own legal battles. The fact is, what worked to catch others caught him.
I think his behavior as observed by the police was very unlikely to be a coincidence and an accidental mis-interpretation. That he denies doing so is most heartbreaking to Idahoans like myself - we care most about truth, not (even being a Republican state) personal preferences.
Comment by Dianne — Wednesday, August 29, 2024 @ 10:40 pm
So why would you plead guilty if you were in fact not? Was he told to and if so by who? He didn’t seek any legal advice, stange..
But who knows its seems to me more and more everyone loves a scandal.
Maybe he was set up? I trust nobody but my close friends, family and cat!
Comment by Angela — Friday, August 31, 2024 @ 9:14 pm
Colombia said Jimenez violated a peace agreement by continuing to organise cocaine shipments and run a criminal empire from prison.
Jimenez is wanted in the US on drug trafficking charges
[…]
He is the first jailed warlord to lose benefits agreed under a 2024 peace deal which led paramilitary leaders to surrender and demobilise 31,000 of their men in exchange for reduced jail terms and extradition protection.
The Uribe administration has been quite willing to extradite such persons to the US, so the track record suggests that they will do so here. Further since, Jimenez was caught breaking the demobilization agreement, I suspect that the Colombian government will want to make an example of him. Given that one of the things that narcos have wanted to avoid is extradition to the US this situation will give Uribe a chance to send a signal to the other AUC commanders: behave or be sent to the US for trial.=.
[…] Real civilians, as opposed to technical civilians, a/k/a terrorists, who like to claim the rights of soldiers without actually acting like, you now, soldiers, in the area know which side is likely to treat them well, (for more on that phenomenon, see here) despite all the dishonest and damaging hoopla about “torture” that is held to include treating criminal non-combatants like, well, criminals, rather than as POWs, which would imply that they are honorable warriors who deserve the right to surrender. (I’ll post on Alberto Gonzalez today or tomorrow and address that in ways more consonant with The Wall Street Journal’s excellent front page take and NPR’s surpisingly, and deservedly, sympathetic portrayal here and, most relevantly to this post, here, than the treatment reported here. Hint - it’s all about political control of an often recalcitrant buerocracy.) […]
On the round table segment of Special Report tonight, Nina Easton (of Fortune magazine) made the rather bizarre assertion that one of the main reasons that the Congress is currently experiencing such low popularity is because of their treatment of Alberto Gonzales. This struck me as a rather remarkable argument, to say the least.
Should I find video and/or a transcript, I will post it.
Also, as a side note, in watching some of the Fox coverage of Gonzales’ departure, and then portions of Hardball and Countdown I was struck as to the degree to which watching different networks is almost like looking at two alternative universes…
I happened to see that segment, and I didn’t interpret her comments quite the same way that you did. While she certainly wasn’t very clear in making her point, I think she was trying to get across that the public perception was one of the Democrats being too focused on investigations, for which Gonzales has been the poster child, in spite of the absence of any solid evidence of wrongdoing. Their preoccupation with investigating meant that they had not gotten very far with the legislative agenda they had run on; and the public’s disapproval was in response to that.
It is possible that I misheard what she had to say, although I honestly don’t think that even the broader point that the Congress has been too investigation happy is the main cause of their unpopularity.
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Tuesday, August 28, 2024 @ 6:19 am
You’re watching Countdown?! You should stop watching NOW and get your IQ tested immediately to look for long-term damage. Studies have shown that Countdown not only causes stupidity in lab rats, but it also causes stupidity in scientists who study lab rats that have been subjected to Countdown.
If Countdown is in an “alternative universe,” I’d like to choose the alternative, please. I think one of the lesser-known bolgias in Dante’s Inferno is the one in which sinners are punished by demons in the form of Keith Olbermann and Nancy Grace. Frightening!
I have been known to partake of a wide array of mass media, although I can safely say that Nancy Grace I cannot stomach at all. (TiVo makes it rather easy to have a wide sampling of things).
I actually like Olbermann, although I acknowledge both his pomposity and his tendency to hyperbole.
At the risk of incurring more of your wrath, I will confess that I actually find the coverage of Gonzales on Countdown to be closer to reality than much of what I saw on Fox News last night.
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Tuesday, August 28, 2024 @ 10:05 am
GWOT Update, Heavily Iraq-Centered, As Usual.
The advances made by locals, as opposed to the troubles of the Sadrists and other bad actors are also lovingly reported at The Thunder Run.
Though the big news takes these sorts of tensions with the Mahdi Army, really Iraqi security forces’ pur…
On the one hand, I am sure that the Bush action figure is meant to be a joke, on the other, it is still a tad creepy–especially with quotes like this:
“There’s a lot of devotion to George Bush the person,” said Clay Johnson, a prep school buddy of Mr. Bush who is now a deputy director of the Office of Management and Budget.
President Bush may nominate Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff to replace Alberto Gonzales as Attorney General, senior administration officials told CNN Monday.
I will allow that Chertoff’s resume, including time on the federal bench, make him qualified for the position. However, two thoughts come to mind:
1) I suspect that Chertoff will be just as prone as Gonzales to see the War on Terror to be a guiding principal of the DoJ’s mission (something that makes him appealing to Bush, but something gives me pause–not that I expect Bush to appoint someone that I would necessarily be keen on at this stage of the game).
2) Chertoff hasn’t exactly been a shining star at DHS. He was initially clueless over Katrina and famously utilized indigestion as a method of counter-terrorism analysis.
Beyond that, CNN is reporting that Chertoff’s alleged replacement will be Clay Johnson III, who is that Deputy Director of the OMB. That strikes me as an odd place to get a Homeland Security Secretary. As Think Progress notes:
Johnson, who has no homeland security experience, is a professional Bush loyalist. While Johnson may have familiarity with some aspects of DHS’s budget, he appears to have no experience in the many responsibilities of the department, including immigration, air travel security, disaster response, and other aspects of our nation’s homeland defense.
Lovely, insofar as this is the Bush cronyism model reemerging. (You know, the model that got us Gonzales in the first place and was aiming to give us Associate Justice Miers).
Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales, whose tenure has been marred by controversy and accusations of perjury before Congress, has resigned. A senior administration official said he would announce the decision later this morning in Washington.
The news broke in the last hour, with Morning Edition having only a short story on it at about 7:20 central time and it was based on the NYT piece.
Anyone who has been reading PoliBlog in the last six months or so will know that I am pleased with this news. At best Gonzales has been incompetent and unsuited for the job and at worst he has been an AG with an inappropriate relationship with the truth who was oriented not towards public service and law enforcement, but instead to the narrow interests of his boss. Of course, the best and worst here are not mutually exclusive.
[…] Quarters. Power Line Outside the Beltway Wizbang PoliBlog Sister Toldjah Bookmark to: Sphere: Related Content Sister Toldjah trackbacked with Breaking: Alberto Gonzales has resigned… 1 […]
[…] Steven Taylor is pleased too: Anyone who has been reading PoliBlog in the last six months or so will know that I am pleased with this news. At best Gonzales has been incompetent and unsuited for the job and at worst he has been an AG with an inappropriate relationship with the truth who was oriented not towards public service and law enforcement, but instead to the narrow interests of his boss. Of course, the best and worst here are not mutually exclusive. […]
Gonzalez resigns, and the faintness of praise from the right condemns him to the lowest level of Hell. Memeorandum has a whole lot of links to blogs announcing the news. Not even stalwart right wingers are pouring on the praise.
Iraqi Shia, Sunni and Kurdish leaders have signed a reconciliation deal, Prime Minister Nouri Maliki says.
The accord was the second step towards rebuilding Iraq’s political process, Mr Maliki said, after four Kurdish and Shia parties formed a new alliance.
[…]
After the meeting, Mr Maliki appeared at a news conference alongside Iraqi President Jalal Talabani, Sunni Vice-President Tariq al-Hashemi, Shia Vice-President Adel Abdul-Mahdi and Massoud Barzani - president of the Kurdish region.
But nothing suggests that the rebuilding of a broad-based government is necessarily any closer, the BBC’s Mike Wooldridge in Baghdad says.
And there’s the rub. One wonders if this isn’t just an attempt to placate the US in terms of political progress.
Iraq’s top Shi’ite, Sunni Arab and Kurdish political leaders announced on Sunday they had reached consensus on some key measures seen as vital to fostering national reconciliation.
Like the BBC piece, it is unclear as to exactly what it is they agreed to, aside from a joint TV appearance.
The only specific detail mentioned in the draft oil law (which has been in draft form for quite some time now):
Yasin Majid, a media adviser to Maliki, told Reuters the leaders also endorsed a draft oil law, which has already been agreed by the cabinet but has not yet gone to parliament.
Not only has the law not gone to parliament, the next paragraph starts with “but”:
But a statement from Talabani’s office said more discussions were needed on the draft oil law and constitutional reforms. Committees had also been formed to try to ensure a “balance” of Shi’ites, Sunni Arabs and Kurds in government.
So, the draft still needs revisions, it would seem.
Quite honestly this whole event (the accord and the TV appearance) smacks of PR instead of progress. Perhaps I am being overly cynical, but it seems like we’ve heard this tune before.
Im a thinking iffin the presidents had to put their children and fanily members in the wars it would change the war sure as im a tying this aofs in here
Comment by bite — Monday, August 27, 2024 @ 4:50 pm
In the article, Mr Castro makes no mention of his health but writes about the events of the 1950s that eventually saw him and his band of rebels topple Fulgencio Batista and come to power.
Call me crazy, but somehow I don’t think that that is going to quell any rumors about Castro’s health.
“Thank God Yeltsin still isn’t president” (or something like that)–Mo Rocca on Countdown with Keith Olbermann tonight when discussing the posting of shirtless photos of President Vladimir Putin on the Kremlin’s web site.
And I think we can all say a hearty “amen” to that.
David Broder waxes poetic on the potential of a Bloomberg-Hagel Unity08 ticket in today’s WaPo: Bloomberg And Hagel For 2024?
Today, that tide may be carrying him away from his Republican Party and toward a third-party or independent ticket with New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg — a development that could reshape the dynamics of the 2024 presidential race.
Look, I have no problem with the generic notion of more choices. However, the likelihood that a Unity08 slate could “reshape” the dynamics of the race strikes me as rather unlikely.
What is especially odd from the point of view of reshaping the ‘08 political landscape, is that the column is focused mostly on Senator Hagel, who would be the VP nominee on this mythical Unity08 ticket. However, if a VP nominee on the Democratic and Republican tickets end up really having very little to do with whether voters vote for those tickets, how much less will the VP nominee matter for a third party bid?
Certainly if a third party bid is ever going to be competitive given the current rules, the impetus of support will have to be the presidential candidate (and some specific set of ideas that go beyond “let’s all get along”). And even then, a widely popular and significant candidate would still have a number of structural barriers to overcome. The second name on the slate would certainly not be the main issue, not by a long shot.
Also, I would like to nominate the following for the non sequitur category of ending paragraphs in a newspaper column:
John Kennedy liked to say that a rising tide lifts all boats. The Bloomberg-Hagel pairing would test that proposition.
(Yes, it is play on the first paragraph (see the link) and Hagel’s “tidal politician” bit, but it still really doesn’t make a lot of sense).
Pleading guilty when you’re not is perjury.
In almost every jurisdiction the defendant is required, under oath, to state that he is pleading guilty because he is fact guilty and is required to described with particularity the nature of his crime
Comment by KipEsquire — Tuesday, August 28, 2024 @ 8:59 am
He pled guilty to “disorderly conduct.” It’s easy enough to say “sure, I may have been disorderly, and what’s $50″ (or whatever the fine was, especially compared to fighting it at trial — just try getting a lawyer for $50).
Reading the officer’s account of things ( http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/08/gop_senator_larry_craig_arrested_for_lewd_conduct.html ), I have to say (1) my gut feeling is that he was guilty, and (2) my other gut feeling is that the case would have been thrown out had it gone to trial (”I put my bag down by the door and tapped my foot? That’s all you got? How is that disorderly?”).
But, hey, what’s the fun of taking on “gay causes” if you don’t get to smear the other side for being gay? (Directed at the hypocritical Democratic Party, not our gracious host). I mean, why isn’t Hillary out in front saying that Senator Craig needs our understanding and support?
Comment by Max Lybbert — Tuesday, August 28, 2024 @ 9:11 am
Kip: Interesting point.
Max: I suppose I just can’t see pleading guilty to anything, especially if I were a Senator, if, indeed, all I did was tap my foot and put my bag down. My sense of righteous indignation at being arrested for going to the bathroom would make it impossible for me to simply plead guilty. As such, the guilty plea speaks volumes to me.
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Tuesday, August 28, 2024 @ 9:29 am
On the way to work, I heard on the radio that he’s paid over $500 in fines. So it’s not the kind of punishment I originally though of based on the charge.
I don’t know what the standard of proof is. I can’t say if it’s “beyond reasonable doubt,” or something less. But, yes, my gut reaction is that there is probably something there. OTOH, I don’t think it would stick in a legal case. But then he’d be in the news for fighting the accusation. It’s a lose-lose. I think his plan was to keep things quiet, which almost worked.
Comment by Max Lybbert — Tuesday, August 28, 2024 @ 11:45 am
What happened with Sen. Craig is indicative of what happens when people who really aren’t religious pretend to be, just to conjure up votes from groups that wouldn’t otherwise vote for them. That’s why the public shouldn’t buy into the “my faith is a true part of me” trickery from certain presidential candidates whose views otherwise show their disdain for religion and largely the Christian faith.
Comment by CJ Madden — Wednesday, August 29, 2024 @ 4:11 pm
Craig says he’s not gay. Sure, with his wife by his side, he’s bi. But this is typical cruising for perverted gay sex.
Comment by N Waff — Wednesday, August 29, 2024 @ 6:17 pm
I appreciate the logical tone of this article. So, if Craig wasn’t guilty, why did he plead guilty? Two reasons come to mind. One, he didn’t trust the judicial system, Two, he simply didn’t want this type of exposure. I think the latter is most likely. Still, giving him the benefit of the doubt, as Kip stated, saying you are guilty when you are not is purjery. So even if he is innocent regarding the incident, he is openly not innocent on this fact.
Would he would have got this thrown out of court if he confronted it (pled not guilty)? If he did, it would likely only be because he had access and funds for the best legal defense. And…if he did, I suppose all others that have been caught in Minneapolis and other cities would use his success to fight their own legal battles. The fact is, what worked to catch others caught him.
I think his behavior as observed by the police was very unlikely to be a coincidence and an accidental mis-interpretation. That he denies doing so is most heartbreaking to Idahoans like myself - we care most about truth, not (even being a Republican state) personal preferences.
Comment by Dianne — Wednesday, August 29, 2024 @ 10:40 pm
So why would you plead guilty if you were in fact not? Was he told to and if so by who? He didn’t seek any legal advice, stange..
But who knows its seems to me more and more everyone loves a scandal.
Maybe he was set up? I trust nobody but my close friends, family and cat!
Comment by Angela — Friday, August 31, 2024 @ 9:14 pm