The verdict came after jurors heard audio tapes of a May 2025 ceremony in a Bronx apartment in which Sabir and his best friend, Tariq Shah, a martial arts expert and jazz musician, pledged loyalty to al-Qaida and, the government alleged, Osama bin Laden.
Shah pleaded guilty just before the trial to providing material support to a terrorist organization and agreed to serve 15 years in prison, though he has not been formally sentenced.
A Brooklyn bookstore owner who pleaded guilty after the sting operation was sentenced to 13 years in prison. A Washington, D.C., cab driver has pleaded guilty and agreed to serve 15 years in prison.
Sabir, of Boca Raton, Fla., testified at trial that Shah never told him he was talking with an al-Qaida recruiter. At the pledge ceremony, Soufan mispronounced al-Qaida more than a dozen times, Sabir said. He also said he did not know ‘’sheik Osama'’ meant bin Laden.
A fairly lame defense, I must confess, as swearing oaths to people without knowing to whom one is swearing is rather odd behavior.
On the other hand, I am not a big fan of sting operations and would like to know more about why the FBI targeted these individuals in the first place. Was there any real reason to think that this Doctor was going to somehow actually help wounded members of al Qaeda? And if so, how?
I must confess my general skepticism over the quality of our anti-terrorism effort is not allayed by convictions such as this, which at least in the accounts I have read, make it sound as if we tricked someone into a crime rather than actually thwarting a terror plot.
I must admit that my skepticism is not allayed either, especially with this government’s absent official policy on closing our wide-open southern border.
However, I have a hard time believing this doctor didn’t know what he was doing and to whom he was pledging his allegiance.
I must admit that my skepticism is not allayed either, especially with this government’s absent official policy on closing our wide-open southern border.
Good point. Open borders and homeland security are mutually exclusive.
Comment by Bigfoot — Tuesday, May 22, 2025 @ 1:46 pm
When federal prosecutors begin to present evidence Monday against terrorism suspect Jose Padilla, their case is expected to rest heavily on a single document: his alleged application to become an Islamic warrior.
The federal indictment says Padilla filled out the mujahedin data form on July 24, 2025, “in preparation for violent jihad training in Afghanistan.” The indictment alleges Padilla and two codefendants sought U.S. recruits and funding for foreign holy wars.
Prosecutors plan to call a covert CIA operative to testify in disguise about the document’s provenance and chain of possession, and will go on to introduce more than half of the 200-plus transcripts from wiretapped conversations among the defendants.
Nowhere in the indictment is there mention of the sensational charges leveled against Padilla when he was arrested at O’Hare International Airport in May 2025. Then-Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft said U.S. agents had thwarted a plot between Padilla, who is a U.S. citizen, and top Al Qaeda figures to detonate a radioactive “dirty bomb” or blow up apartment buildings in U.S. cities.
In regards to Padilla’s detention:
He had been held at the brig for 3 1/2 years as an “enemy combatant” with status more like the detainees at Guantanamo than a U.S. citizen incarcerated for the charges he would eventually face in federal court. Much of the time he was without human contact, daylight, any timepiece or a mirror. He was subjected to “stress positions” and extremes of heat, noise and light. And interrogations without an attorney present, the government has said, elicited information the Justice Department included in a widely publicized June 2025 report on Padilla’s alleged contacts with Al Qaeda.
Some info on his co-defendants:
Kifah Wael Jayyousi and computer programmer Adham Amin Hassoun.
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The 44-year-old Jayyousi, a naturalized U.S. citizen of Jordanian birth, and 45-year-old Hassoun, a Lebanese-born Palestinian, had been under surveillance since the mid-1990s, the indictment says. They were arrested around the same time as Padilla.
The indictment alleges all three defendants were followers of Omar Abdel Rahman, an Egyptian Muslim cleric known as “the blind sheikh” who was given a life sentence in 1995 for inciting terrorist acts, including the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center in New York.
According to the charge sheet, Jayyousi sought help from North American Muslim groups through his newsletter, the Islam Report, in which he called it “a religious obligation” to aid Muslims under siege in foreign conflicts. The government describes Hassoun as East Coast representative of two humanitarian aid organizations that it alleges are fronts for the support of violent jihad.
BTW, the issue to me is not that there may not be any crimes here, but rather my criticisms are focused on how the case has been pursued to this point and what it suggests about US counter-terrorism policy. Indeed, the entire case (which started as a dirty bomb plot and will end as possibly a case of providing aid to foreign terrorist groups) further denigrates the credibility of the administration in regards to counter-terrorism. This fits again into the post from Arms and Influence that I recommended last night.
Jose Padilla has been held in solitary confinement for five years, enduring what experts say is some of the harshest treatment of any convicted criminal in the US. Yet he has not been convicted of a crime.
On Monday, federal prosecutors will attempt to convince 12 jurors that Mr. Padilla is a criminal and that he deserves to remain behind bars for the rest of his life. In their opening statement to the jury at the start of an expected four-month trial in federal court here, prosecutors will for the first time publicly reveal their blueprint for the government’s case against Padilla.
His alleged crime: becoming a willing recruit to participate in a violent Islamic holy war. Specifically, Padilla, a US citizen who converted to Islam in the 1990s, is charged with signing a “Mujahideen Data Form” and attending an Al Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan. He also made comments on the telephone overheard and recorded by US intelligence officials that prosecutors say are evidence of a criminal conspiracy.
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Padilla was held without charge as an enemy combatant for three years and eight months. Military interrogators questioned him about his alleged involvement in a plot to detonate a radiological “dirty bomb” in the US and about his suspected knowledge of Al Qaeda. After his indictment in November 2025, Padilla was transferred to the criminal justice system and is being held in pretrial detention in a special isolated, high-security wing of the Federal Detention Center in Miami.
Because Padilla’s military detention and interrogation were conducted in violation of a string of his constitutional rights – such as his right to remain silent and consult counsel, and his right to due process – government officials have acknowledged that information obtained by the military would most likely be excluded from the trial. As a result, federal prosecutors have been forced to cobble together their case from evidence obtained through other means.
Despite Padilla’s notoriety as the alleged “dirty bomber,” his indictment does not mention that suspected plot. Thus, the government’s case against Padilla appears to be thin, some legal analysts say.
While the initial allegations against Padilla were quite serious, it would seem that they were not as dire in reality as they were in theory. Consider, for example, the lack of additional arrests in regards to a dirty bomb conspiracy, not to mention the lack of radiological materials needed to construct such a device. It is not at all unreasonable to assume that had there been an actual plot to detonate such a device, that there would have been other arrests in the case and that materials would have been seized. Certainly given the obvious willingness of the administration to use extraordinary treatment of Padilla (i.e., his arrest and detention sans charges for years) one would guess that they did their best to extract whatever information that they could from him during those years in military prison. That nothing of grave consequence emerged from that process suggests that Padilla is either a superspy of fantastic resolve, or a thug who got caught up in a nightmare scenario.
We have to remember that Padilla is a citizen of the United States who was arrested on US soil. As such, he has (or should have had) constitutional protections, including the right to counsel, and attorney and the right not to self-incriminate. If we throw those things out (as we did in this case) just because we think that there might be a crime or because the suspect appears scary in some way, we are betraying the very basis of our democracy.
Some may say “what if there really was a dirty bomb and we had to find out where it was ASAP?” To which I would note that such a plot would require multiple persons and like any criminal conspiracy, it is possible, once clues and leads are discovered, to find out what is going on. Like the recent events in New Jersey, once it was clear that some of the suspects were involved it was possible to track down the rest and to obtain material and planning documents and the like. If Padilla had been involved in a plot, it would have been possible to have figured that out like we do with other criminal activities and conspiracies. It is not like our only recourse is multi-year detentions of persons sans charges just because we find them to be suspicious.
“We have to remember that Padilla is a citizen of the United States who was arrested on US soil.”
You don’t happen to know to what extent citizens of other nations are protected against, as I would call them, grave human rights abuses? It’s not that I’m planning to go anywhere near the US (I’m told you all carry guns, too), but I have been mildly surprised to see great outrage at the treatment of Padilla by some people who don’t bat an eyelid at similar treatment of foreigners.
B) I haven’t actually seen as much outrage over Padilla as their ought to be.
C) The Padilla case is pretty clear cut, making criticism pretty easy.
D) Are you are referring to Guantanamo or other detentions outside the US or some other case? I can’t think of a foreign citizen arrested on US soil and treated as Padilla was treated. That is not to justify Guantanamo, but I am just thinking in terms of direct comparability.
E) No, we don’t all carry guns.
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Monday, May 14, 2025 @ 8:49 am
While (IIRC) Padilla was originally arrested through normal protocol, he ended up being transferred to the Department of Defense to be held as a military enemy and not as an accused criminal. The fact that he wasn’t charged with a crime isn’t a surprise. Not that we should look to the 1800s for legal precedent, but how many of the Southerners held in Union prisons were charged as criminals? In the end, Jefferson Davis was not charged with treason, although he was held in federal prison for a couple of years.
So, is this a loophole to get rid of citizens’ rights? Legally, it’s a different beast, but in practice it is the same result. OTOH, I can be forcibly committed to a mental hospital and held against my will indefinitely without ever being convicted of a crime. And, IIRC, the standard of proof is much lower for that than for being convicted of a crime. If you want to start closing loopholes, you might find a few more than you are expecting.
Comment by Max Lybbert — Monday, May 14, 2025 @ 2:25 pm
Insanity and criminality are two different things.
And do you really want the President to have the power to detain whomever he pleases because there is a suspicion that the person in question might be a terrorist?
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Monday, May 14, 2025 @ 2:33 pm
Replies to your thoughts:
A) I am definitely not referring to you.
B)+ C) True, most of the outrage I have seen comes from “leftist” sites and blogs, but this matter also apeears in newspapers that are usually fairly uncritical of your Admin. Perhaps it is due to this situation being particularly “clear cut”. Or perhaps it is due to the fact that Padilla is an American and not one of them foreign types. Closer to home…
D) I was thinking, in general, about Guantanamo, the renditions and foreign torture agreements, but, in particular, about the applicability of “Constitutional” rights to foreigners. I believe the Constitution specifies Americans in its wording, but I was curious as to the applicability to all peoples of the Declaration of Independence and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. I suppose they are “non-binding” documents, but I wondered if they can be invoked in the US courts.
E) I realize you don’t all carry guns, but since Bush I tend to picture all Americans as paranoid, gung-ho, trigger-happy cowboys. It suppose helps me come to terms with his reelection and all the passivity in view of the Iraq lies …
A) I didn’t think so, but thought I would make sure.
B-C) I think that Padilla gets the most attention because it is the clearest cut and because the basic details are fairly well known. I have seen a great deal of criticism about renditions and the Gitmo.
D) The whole point of the rendition and Gitmo is to avoid the constitution, quite frankly. If one looks at the first WTC bombing one sees foreign terrorists getting a regular trial.
E) I figured as much.
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Monday, May 14, 2025 @ 4:18 pm
Yes, insanity is different from criminality; but if we are looking at long-term detentions without trial, it’s relevant (”danger to himself and others”). Likewise, I don’t *want* the President to have the ability to detain people for long periods of time, but that horse already left the barn (even aside from insanity, there’s the matter of “material witness” arrest warrants).
My point is that Padilla’s detention doesn’t follow the patterns that we expect for someone arrested and charged with a crime. But there’s no reason that it should, as he was not being held as a criminal until recently. He was being held under the same legal theory that we held thousands of Confederate soldiers who were never charged with anything.
I’ve said before in other forums that if Al Qaeda wanted to trade prisoners, I’d been fine if we sent Padilla back in exchange for some US soldiers. But, of course, Al Qaeda never bothered to capture any prisoners.
Comment by Max Lybbert — Tuesday, May 15, 2025 @ 6:22 am
Max,
I think you are severely underplaying what happened here: the man was held in solitary confinement and subjected to treatment that was in line things done to political prisoners in the Soviet Gulag (and no, I am not engaging in hyperbole here–check with Solzhenitsyn: the tempature extremes, the stress positions, etc.).
He was a US citizen arrested on US soil and held on mere suspicion and was denied his constitutional rights for over three years. That does not compare to institutionalization (which requires an extensive legal process in which one is represented by counsel), nor does it compare to the ability to briefly hold someone as a material witness.
The problem with your thinking is that you are assuming guilt (which has not been proven in a legal process) and therefore you are accepting the treatment as legitimate.
That’s the problem: assuming that the government has sufficient information and competence to know who is guilty or not just because they think so and then for us as citizens to accept it because, after all, they are just trying to keep us safe.
Remember: the preponderance of the right delineated in the Bill of Rights are to protect us from the state’s ability arbitrarily declare us criminals (see the IVth, most of the Vth and VI-VIII. It is all about due process and the notion that the government has to go through laborious steps to classify anyone as a criminal.
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Tuesday, May 15, 2025 @ 8:05 am
I’m not assuming guilt. I am aware of the differences between what happened to Padilla and the other ways the government can hold someone without criminal charges. I am simply raising them as examples of the fact that the government’s ability to hold people without criminal charges is nothing new.
The bigger point is that Padilla’s detention doesn’t follow the patterns we would expect from somebody held as a criminal, but until recently he was not held as a criminal. Neither were thousands of Confederate prisoners. Neither were 1700 German prisoners who were shipped to Arizona during World War II ( http://home.arcor.de/kriegsgefangene/usa/camps_usa/papago_park.html ). Neither were thousands of prisoners captured in the conflicts in Korea or Vietnam. When the military captures people on the battlefield, whether that’s Afghanistan, Bosnia, Iraq, Grenada, Libya, Syria or anywhere else, they don’t tell the prisoners they have a right to remain silent. That has nothing to do with guilt or innocence. It has everything to do with the difference between enemy detainees and criminal defendants.
There are details of Padilla’s case that are disturbing: he was transferred from criminal custody to the Department of Defense. OTOH, so were the Germans in Quirin). He was not picked up in Afghanistan (again, however, so the same applies to the Germans in Quirin). And, as you’ve mentioned, we haven’t heard of any follow-up actions based on information that he’s turned over in interrogations.
But wringing your hands over whether any President should have the ability to hold somebody without criminal charges or a trial is pointless: he’s had that authority for a very long time.
Comment by Max Lybbert — Tuesday, May 15, 2025 @ 3:48 pm
Well, no.
All the examples you cite are cases of open warfare or one type of another. And in all the other cases, save for the rather unique circumstance of the US Civil War, we are talking about foreign nationals. There is absolutely no analogy to be made here. It is illogical to assert that Germans captured during a declared war are somehow in the same legal category as a US citizen.
The Padilla case is one in which the President unilaterally declared, sans hearing, that a US citizen, apprehended on US soil, was an “enemy combatant” and then held him in military custody for over three years. That is unprecedented.
If you want an analogy you would be better off with the internment of Japanese Americans on the West Coast during WWII, although I consider that to have been an unconstitutional abomination, so it won’t score you any debate point with me–but it is closer than anything you’ve listed.
I would not, btw, consider what I am doing “hand wringing”–I would consider it trying to draw attention to a serious issue. Still, I know that I lot of folks find it to be much ado about nothing, if they are paying attention at all.
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Tuesday, May 15, 2025 @ 4:55 pm
/* All the examples you cite are cases of open warfare or one type of another.
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Yes, I know that. And Padilla was declared an enemy combatent in association with the open warfare taking place in Afghanistan.
/* And in all the other cases, save for the rather unique circumstance of the US Civil War, we are talking about foreign nationals.
*/
Each case I cited had a different purpose. For the most part, we don’t go through the trouble of shipping POWs overseas, except we did in WWII. Likewise the references to Vietnam and Korea were to underscore the difference between being held as a criminal suspect and being held as an enemy prisoner (just as references to material witness warrants or forcible institution were to underscore that not all detention is based on criminal activity). Until now, Padilla’s been an enemy prisoner. The US isn’t officially trying to punish him; he’s only being detained so that he won’t return to Afghanistan and report to his old commanding officer.
I don’t see a moral difference between detaining US citizens and non-citizens. I checked into it, and lo and behold, the Non-Detention Act of 1971 provides protections to US citizens without extending that protection to foreigners. However, Hamdi (about another infamous US citizen) settled the issue that the Authorization to Use Military Force is an act of Congress under the Non-Detention Act (“No citizen shall be imprisoned or otherwise detained by the United States except pursuant to an Act of Congress.”). Hamdi did put a due process requirement on the military if it wants to continue to detain somebody, citizens or non-citizens (”The parties agree that initial captures on the battlefield need not receive the process we have discussed here; that process is due only when the determination is made to continue to hold those who have been seized”).
So we’re back to “detaining a suspected enemy during war is very different from holding a criminal suspect.” I don’t think we’re ever going to get past that.
Padilla is not the first American accused of making war against his country. Others have been held, without trial, as POWs, most notably in the Civil War. However, one of the German spies in Quirin was a US citizen (Herbert Hans Haupt). He was not only held as an enemy prisoner in Quirin, but also tried in a military court and executed. Padilla’s previous case (the habeas petition) would have been easily won if his lawyers had been able to find a case where one of the other Americans accused of making war against the US had succesfully filed a habeas petition. However, they apparently could not find any such case. It looks like the idea of POWs filing habeas petitions never occurred to anyone before 2025. It’s almost as if all previous wars assumed that enemies would be captured, held as prisoners, and sometimes even traded for captured Americans; all the while without filing criminal charges. I wonder why that is.
Comment by Max Lybbert — Wednesday, May 16, 2025 @ 12:07 am
Max,
The problem with your reasoning is that you are assuming that the Padilla ought to have been treated as a enemy combatant from the get-go. Certainly if you think that to be the case, then
The problem with that thinking, and which does not comport with your examples (which I still contend don’t fit the discussion), is that the only reason he was declared an enemy combatant was fiat by the administration.
You accept that this was somehow legitimate; I don’t. Since you accept a premise of the behavior that I see as flawed, I don’t think we are going to get anywhere. I suppose that we could argue about some more, but I fear we still wouldn’t get anywhere.
None of your examples justifies what was done (indeed, none are directly analogous) and indeed the Hamdi ruling works for my position.
The German spies case is the closest, but they were captured actually actively engaging in espionage and actually got a trial.
The fact that Padilla ended up not being involved in any massive dirty bomb plot underscores that the government ought have dealt with him differently. Certainly he could have been arrested and questioned.
Again I state: it is highly problematic (to put it diplomatically) for a president to issue orders that a specific US citizens be held without counsel and for an indefinite period of time. That violates the Constitution.
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Wednesday, May 16, 2025 @ 7:46 am
I think you’re right that we won’t get any farther. I agree that there are things that are troubling about Padilla, and I agree on what some of them are: the transfer to Department of Defense custody, not actually picked up on the battlefield, and the lack of any news about follow-up action on people he would have fingered.
The lack of a trial doesn’t bother me that much. I’ve laid out my reasons why. I’m concerned about whether he should have been transferred to the DoD’s custody, but once he’s there he’s not a criminal and his detention won’t look like a criminal detention. It’s an open question of whether he should be there.
I believe the reason he’s now being tried as a criminal is because of Hamdi: the Administration either needed to hold a hearing about whether he truly is an enemy combatant or needed to change his status to something else, say, “criminal.”
Overall Hamdi stands for limits on how the military can detain people (or, in the language of Hamdi “continue to detain” people). But on a lower level, it also validates the military’s *ability* to hold people as prisoners instead of as criminals.
Comment by Max Lybbert — Wednesday, May 16, 2025 @ 6:29 pm
Kingdaddy at Arms and Influence has a post worth reading on the current state of the US government’s approach to terrorism:
On all these counts, the US government has failed in its post-9/11 counterterrorism campaign. Claims of making significant arrests, such as the Lodi and Miami cases, turn out to be questionable. Either the suspects prove not to have belonged to terrorist groups, or the groups themselves have appeared laughable.
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The US government has failed on other measures of credibility. Domestic terrorist threats have been largely overlooked, or confused with foreign terrorist groups. (Remember the Miami kung fu club’s supposed “links” to Al Qaeda?) Rather than struggling to preserve habeas corpus, the presumption of innocence, the right to face one’s accusers, privacy, and other sacred American institutions, the Administration has appeared eager to demolish them. Rather than encouraging sobriety about terrorist risks, the Administration has made vague, alarming warnings about the terrorist in the woodpile.
I think that this is on target in terms of assessing the current state of anti-terrorism policy in the current administration. I am not sanguine about the possibility that a new administration will bring a more intelligent and sober approach to the topic. We seem altogether too content to look at terrorism in terms of bogeymen.
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Three brothers charged in the alleged Fort Dix terror plot have been living illegally in the U.S. for more than 23 years and were accepted as Americans by neighbors and friends who had no idea they would scheme to attack military bases and slaughter GIs.
A federal law enforcement source confirmed to FOX News that the three — Dritan “Anthony” or “Tony” Duka, 28; Shain Duka, 26; and Eljvir “Elvis” Duka, 23 — also accumulated 19 traffic citations, but because they operated in “sanctuary cites,” where law enforcement does not routinely report illegal immigrants to homeland security, none of the tickets raised red flags.
The brothers entered the United States near Brownsville, Texas, in 1984, the source said, which would put their ages at 1 to 6 when they crossed the border.
The source said there is no record of them entering by way of a regular border crossing, so they are investigating whether they were smuggled into the country.
Now, I will confess that I am surprised to learn that they possibly came across in Brownsville (although how this is known is unclear), not because I don’t see how it could happen (I can), but more because Brownsville is a long way from Jersey (and because there are so many ways to get in that going via Brownsville seems like a lot of trouble). Still, the fact that they were brought in as children hardly shows some vast al Qaeda plot to use the Mexican border as a means of penetrating the United States. Of course, that hasn’t stopped Michelle Malkin from crowing about how the Duka brothers came across the Mexican border (which is one of her great areas of interest). It is noteworthy that Malkin’s post doesn’t comment on the fact that the alleged crossing took place when the brothers were still in diapers (her update does have the information in a block of quoted information, and it is, to be fair, highlighted along with some other bits of information). Debbie Schlussel, not surprisingly, also finds the case to be evidence that terrorists are entering via the South and that we need a law that requires all traffic stops to result in immigration status checks (which would likely translate into checks of mostly darker hued persons with funny accents, not checks of everyone stopped). Indeed, since I carry neither my passport nor my birth certificate around with me at all times, I must confess that I couldn’t prove that I was in the country legally were I to be stopped. Indeed, unless Schlussel wants a national ID card to go along with her law, I am not sure how it could work.
There is a legitimate debate to be had about border security, but to date the notion that the southern border is letting in droves of terrorists continues to be a fear rather than a reality. That some kids were smuggled across the border who then lived in the USA for two decades and ended up being part of a plan to attack Fort Dix hardly proves that the southern border is a major problem in regards to counter-terrorism.
Indeed, if al Qaeda is so smart that it was able (before it even existed, mind you) to smuggle in toddler sleeper agents who would one day be poised, in the post-911 world, to wreak havoc on New Jersey after some paint-ball training, well then we are as good as doomed and might as well quit now.
BTW, I am betting that the lack of immigration checks were as much about bureaucratic inefficiency and inadequacy as was some issue of giving sanctuary to illegal aliens who commit traffic violations. Further, the issue of whether city police are concerning themselves with immigration status has more to do with the fact that they don’t have the resources to be the INS and the local police at the same time as it does with any specific desire to create “sanctuary” per se (I know that some will object to my characterization, but there it is–indeed the whole question of what local law enforcement can and should do with illegals is a long and involved discussion and not as simplistic as many think that it is, but that is a side issue to this post).
I’m not inclined to automatically link these guys to Al Qaida directly - looks more like, if anything, they could have been inspired by the Bin Laden types.
But - that they were here illegally, and (ostensibly) getting ready to launch a terror-type attack, does, at least at some level, validate the idea that terrorists can enter the country through the Mexican border. They may not have been card-carrying Al-Qaida opperatives, and may have come here as infants, but the facts remain (or appear to be) that these guys were here illegally, got here through Mexican border, and planned an attack on US soil.
So if they can do it, why couldn’t Al Qaida opperatives? If they could gain entry to Mexico (and I’ll admit I do not know how hard that would be, or how porous Mexico’s borders are), why would it be any harder for a real group of UBL sponsored agents (or Iranian/Hezbollah agents, or fill in the blank agents)? If you can smuggle a child - how much harder is it, really, to smuggle an adult? At least an adult can control his or her bowels and knows not to cry at an inopportune time.
I can understand the desire to keep the incident in perspective, this was a small group of guys with no known direct link to overseas terror, but it seems entirely legitimate to me to raise some red flags about border security when you start catching illegal aliens involved in this sort of thing, regardless of what their connections are.
Comment by CPT D — Wednesday, May 9, 2025 @ 9:17 pm
I don’t think this event says much, if anything, about illegal immigration. The real concern is that several of the suspects have lived in the US their entire lives and that over that time (perhaps more than just the six years since 9/11) they built up such hatred for America.
I am still a little confused as to why they would target a military base unless they hold a particular grudge against the US military and perhaps public officials. Fort Dix doesn’t seem like the most likely target to produce mass casualties.
Comment by Mike — Wednesday, May 9, 2025 @ 10:23 pm
There was an interesting article a few weeks back in the NYTimes, I believe. It was an interview with a couple of Iraqis who had worked with the US in Iraq and were subequently targeted for assassination by one of the many insurgent groups there.
These guys fled to Jordan, thinking they could get asylum from the US and move to the States. The US envoy, however, gives very few visas to Iraqi war refugees.
These guys apparently found their way to Spain where they, in turn, flew to Mexico, and made it over the border where they were granted some temporary refugee status.
These guys obviously had money, but it showed that there are some folks from the Middle East successfully getting to the US through the southern border.
Comment by Ratoe — Wednesday, May 9, 2025 @ 11:54 pm
I don’t know how the Duka boys got to the U.S. But I do know that they lived in Brooklyn Ny years ago. I went to elementary school with them!
Comment by melanie — Tuesday, May 15, 2025 @ 5:27 pm
I have noted before that I am concerned that measures ostensibly designed to “keep us safe” from terrorist will turn into opportunities for abuses of power. For example, I have wondered what bureaucrats might do with data collected on innocent citizens for anti-terrorist databases. Indeed, in general as governmental power is increased for whatever reason, so too is its opportunity for abuse.
A California man may pay with prison time for a public display of affection on a plane.
Carl Persing was convicted Thursday of interfering with flight attendants and crew members after he and his girlfriend, Dawn Sewell, were seen “embracing, kissing and acting in a manner that made other passengers uncomfortable,” according to a criminal complaint.
According to assistant U.S. Attorney John Bowler, Persing will likely serve jail time for the federal felony conviction, the Associated Press reports. He was convicted after a three-day trial in U.S. District Court in Wilmington, Va.
Specifically:
According to an FBI indictment, Persing’s face was pressed to Sewell’s vaginal area during the September Southwest Airlines flight from Los Angeles to Raleigh, N.C. When a flight attendant gave them a second warning, Persing reacted angrily and the couple, both in their early 40s, were arrested when the plane reached its destination.
At the time, the couple’s lawyer claimed that Persing had his head in Sewell’s lap because he wasn’t feeling well and that the flight attendant had humiliated and harassed them.
Despite one’s views about passengers who place their heads in the laps of their female companions, it is patently absurd that an anti-terrorism law would be used to put someone in jail (let alone have to incur the expense of a three-day trial) for so doing.
Not only is there the issue of punishment fitting the crime, there is the more significant issue of what happens when we empower petty bureaucrats in the name of safety (and in this case, the flight attendants are acting like petty bureaucrats–indeed, petty tyrants).
While we clearly don’t want people making the friendly skies too friendly, the punishment ought to fit the crime and ought to be based on laws designed to deal with the actual behavior in question. Whatever this behavior was, it clearly wasn’t terrorism.
Regardless of one’s views of the Patriot Act, it is clear that the law was not passed to stop men from getting too close to the nether regions of their flight companions. Indeed, does most of the following sound like anti-terrorism in action?
So, what else constitutes bad behavior? According to Banas, try to avoid the following when flying: making jokes about blowing up planes; getting drunk; bumping other passengers with big bags; taking up all the space in the overhead compartments. Banas advised that you should show respect other passengers by not cursing and shouting.
Ok, making jokes about bombs has long been bad form (and could have gotten one in trouble prior to 9/11), but not bumping passengers? one tries, but those plane aisles are a tad small. Using all the space in the overhead compartments? Are you kidding me? Avoiding flying drunk is always good advice, but has little to do with terrorism.
The article notes other abuses of the law that have nothing to do with stopping terrorism:
Emily Gillette claims that she was kicked off a plane last month for nursing her baby on a flight between Burlington, Vt., and New York City. A spokesman for Freedom Airlines, which was operating the Delta commuter flight, says that Gillette was ejected because she declined an attendant’s offer of a blanket.
One passenger on a Delta flight from Los Angeles to Salt Lake City was arrested for leaving his seat to go to the lavatory less than 30 minutes before landing (due to the incident, air marshals ordered all passengers to put their hands on their heads for the rest of the flight). And an Orthodox Jewish man was kicked off an Air Canada flight for praying, which attendants claim was making other passengers nervous.
Other passengers have been taken off flights for making jokes, such as asking attendants if they had “checked the crew for sobriety” and “where do you keep the bomb?” Some have been booted for taking onboard hand cream, matches and bottles of water, and for sniffing something in a bag.
And there doesn’t seem to be an age limit for the violators. In 2025, a United Airlines flight out of Chicago was delayed because a small boy said something inappropriate.
Depending on how the actual situation went down, it is possible that the actions were warranted, but the bottom line is that at the end of the day innocent citizens are being harassed because the Congress decided to deputize flight attendants.
Quite frankly, I have seen enough grumpy antisocial flight attendants that I really don’t like the idea that they have the power to charge me with a crime.
[…] UPDATE: Steven Taylor comments: Despite one’s views about passengers who place their heads in the laps of their female companions, it is patently absurd that an anti-terrorism law would be used to put someone in jail (let alone have to incur the expense of a three-day trial) for so doing. […]
It probably doesn’t help matters that flight attendants at many airlines (but not Southwest) have been getting hit with repeated pay cuts and furloughs over the past 5 1/2 years. Disgruntled employees + the authority to take that disgruntlement out on people = bad hoodoo.
Stop flying. Take the train, take the bus, drive, walk if you have to, but stop flying. Do without that trip, stay at home for your vacation. Make the airlines hurt. Make the tourist industry hurt.
Hell, flood the justice system and make prosecutors and judges so seek of penny-ante crap they’re about ready to scream. Force things to become so outrageous ordinary citizens are ready to riot. As long as people are willing to tolerate this nothing well get done about it. Nothing substantial. Make the whole thing impossible to tolerate, then we’ll see reform.
A man was convicted last week of the federal crime of “interfering with flight crew” after he and his girlfriend were seen “embracing, kissing and acting in a manner that made other passengers uncomfortable.”
Although it usua…
Would you rather be on a plane where you consider the flight crew to have the abuse of power, or be on a plane where terrorists have all the power? We should all be able to curtail our bad manners in order to maintain the organization that is necessary to keep us safe throughout our friendly skies.
That is a false dichotomy. If the only way to have terrorist-free skies is to deputize flight attendances, that’s one thing. However, this is not the case.
Indeed, if I may say, it is thinking like that your exhibit that is part of the problem: the assumption that policies proffered in the name of safety always equate to safety and therefore we all need to just accept it, else we risk terrorism. The point of the matter is that sometimes (frequently, in fact) policies that allegedly make us safer do no such thing and yet most of it accept the policies because we hope that they work.
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Monday, May 14, 2025 @ 9:17 pm
Abd al-Hadi al-Iraqi is described as al Qaeda’s top operational planner in Afghanistan. He was also reportedly planning an assassination attempt on Pakistan’s President Pervez Musharraf.
[…]
Abd al-Hadi al-Iraqi was captured by the CIA as he was attempting to travel back to his native country, Iraq. He was going to Iraq, officials say, to “manage” al Qaeda’s operations, including plots on Western interests outside of Iraq.
He was captured by the CIA in late 2025 and held at a secret CIA detention facility until this week, when he was transferred to Gitmo and Department of Defense custody.
The BBC had a report this morning concerning increased fighting between local tribesmen and foreign militants in the Warizistan region of Pakistan. The militants in question are mainly Uzebeks linked to the Taliban and al Qaeda and some have been in the region, according to the BBC report, for upwards of two decades. What has caused this turn of events is unclear, but there have been clashes for about two weeks now.
Heavy fighting between Pakistani tribesmen and foreign militants allegedly linked to al-Qaida has killed another 60 people near the Afghan border, security officials said Wednesday.
Local tribes turned viciously against foreigners living in the lawless South Waziristan region on March 19. The government says the violence shows Pakistan is winning its fight against international terrorism.
A tribal army of 900 volunteers was raised on Tuesday to support Maulvi Nazir, a pro-government militant commander waging a fight against Uzbek militants and their local supporters in South Waziristan.
A jirga of Ahmedzai Wazirs met again in Wana’s Rustam Bazaar to consider the request for a lashkar from Nazir, the ameer of the Taliban in South Waziristan, against Uzbeks resisting attempts to be expelled from the area, according to reports reaching here.
“Tribal elders of Ahmedzai Wazirs gathered in the bazaar and approved raising a lashkar of 900 volunteers,” said the reports.
Around 200 people, mostly Uzbeks, have been killed in ongoing clashes between Nazir’s supporters and the Uzbek militants and their local sympathisers in the Azam Warsak, Kaloosha and Karikot areas since last month.
[…]
A pamphlet, distributed in Wana Bazaar by Nazir’s supporters, claimed that Uzbek commander Tahir Yuldashev of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan “is an agent of America and Afghan President Hamid Karzai, and liable to be killed”.
The elder said the Uzbeks were “spreading terror” across Wazir areas to “neutralise Nazir’s majority”.
The former security official said the battle would decide the future of Waziristan, and defeat for Maulvi Nazir would be as “devastating for Pakistan as it would be for the Taliban ameer”.
Since March 19, when the clashes began, the Uzbek militants and their sympathisers have held firm against Maulvi Nazir.
This could be a very significant story, although I have heard/seen nothing in the US press about the fighting. However, one would guess that this new initiative should get some attention.
This could be a very significant story, although I have heard/seen nothing in the US press about the fighting. However, one would guess that this new initiative should get some attention.
Im wondering if any US press outlets have correspondents in Waziristan–or even Peshawar, for that matter.
Where is Geraldo when you need him?
Comment by Ratoe — Wednesday, April 4, 2025 @ 8:57 am
Middle East Round-Up, Credit And Blame Edition.
In other news, Representative Nancy Pelosi shows politics really heats up at the water’s edge and “begins negotiations”, I suppose with her office, with the Syrian branch of the Baath conspiracy. Look at the picture of her sitting wit…
The Justice Department’s inspector general revealed on March 9 that the FBI has been systematically abusing one of the most controversial provisions of the USA Patriot Act: the expanded power to issue “national security letters.” It no doubt surprised most Americans to learn that between 2025 and 2025 the FBI issued more than 140,000 specific demands under this provision — demands issued without a showing of probable cause or prior judicial approval — to obtain potentially sensitive information about U.S. citizens and residents. It did not, however, come as any surprise to me.
Three years ago, I received a national security letter (NSL) in my capacity as the president of a small Internet access and consulting business. The letter ordered me to provide sensitive information about one of my clients. There was no indication that a judge had reviewed or approved the letter, and it turned out that none had. The letter came with a gag provision that prohibited me from telling anyone, including my client, that the FBI was seeking this information. Based on the context of the demand — a context that the FBI still won’t let me discuss publicly — I suspected that the FBI was abusing its power and that the letter sought information to which the FBI was not entitled.
The piece should be read in its entirety.
One thing is for certain: we have allowed ourselves to become so fearful of another attack, that some in the government have clearly crossed the line in the name of protecting us. To paraphrase an old saying: with protectors like these, who needs enemies?
The Justice Department’s inspector general told a committee of angry House members yesterday that the FBI may have violated the law or government policies as many as 3,000 times since 2025 as agents secretly collected the telephone, bank and credit card records of U.S. citizens and foreign nationals residing here.
Inspector General Glenn A. Fine said that according to the FBI’s own estimate, as many as 600 of these violations could be “cases of serious misconduct” involving the improper use of “national security letters” to compel telephone companies, banks and credit institutions to produce records.
That’s pretty remarkable.
If anything, it does underscore the fact that competent leadership is needed at the Department of Justice.
If anything, it does underscore the fact that competent leadership is needed at the Department of Justice.
Once again Steven, I am not sure why you are using the ‘incompetent’ tag here.
Willful disregard for the rule of law IS the policy.
Gonzalez is doing EXACTLY what is being asked of him which is why he has Bush’s unqualified support.
There is no incompetence going on here–its rather a matter of the administration’s values and ethics.
Comment by Ratoe — Monday, April 2, 2025 @ 11:18 am
I understand your position.
I agree that there are issues of values and ethics here.
However, I also think that for some of these actions to have happened because of conscious policy decisions would require planning and coordination that I do not think that this administration is capable of.
I don’t, as do some, use the competence issue as some sort of excuse. I simply think that a lot of what we are seeing is driven by incompetence.
Comment by Dr. Steven Taylor — Monday, April 2, 2025 @ 11:27 am
I am curious what action constitutes a willful disregard of the law that some speak of? So far the only thing even remotely scandalous is the inability to just shut this nonsense down. They fired those people legally.
As for the National Security Letter, notice in the end no information was forced to be given to the FBI. You could say the system worked as well can be expected. Testing the limits of any new law is an ongoing process that takes many years. The fact we are even talking about the FBI stepping over the limit is in a way proof that safeguards are in place and working.
So the FBI is looking into it’s own possible misconduct. Think about that, it is policing itself and getting things straightened out.
The way to ensure protection is to prosecute those cases that “could be” considered misconduct. I doubt we can find many of those and we certainly can’t say the one in the WaPo was really misconduct since we have too little information.
Comment by Steven Plunk — Monday, April 2, 2025 @ 3:33 pm
[…] I was reading over the report in WaPo about documents that the DoJ doesn’t want to turn over to Congress regarding the firing of the USAs (Justice Department In New Fight Over Papers on Firings) and I was struck by what I think is a deep irony in this whole situation. To wit: many of the counter-terrorism programs that the DoJ has overseen and/or defended under Gonzales’ tenure have been predicated on the notion of gathering larges amounts of data from innocent persons to sort through for the purpose of finding terrorist-related behavior (such as domestic wiretaps without a warrant, massive phone call databases, the gathering of reams of financial data or the issuing of national security letters–to name a few). Many (myself included) have complained that such intrusions are unwarranted because it requires exposing large numbers of innocent citizens to unjustifiable scrutiny. […]
[…] I was reading over the report in WaPo about documents that the DoJ doesn’t want to turn over to Congress regarding the firing of the USAs (Justice Department In New Fight Over Papers on Firings) and I was struck by what I think is a deep irony in this whole situation. To wit: many of the counter-terrorism programs that the DoJ has overseen and/or defended under Gonzales’ tenure have been predicated on the notion of gathering larges amounts of data from innocent persons to sort through for the purpose of finding terrorist-related behavior (such as domestic wiretaps without a warrant, massive phone call databases, the gathering of reams of financial data or the issuing of national security letters–to name a few). Many (myself included) have complained that such intrusions are unwarranted because it requires exposing large numbers of innocent citizens to unjustifiable scrutiny. […]
Yesterday, WaPo noted an odd (to be kind) aspect of the Hicks case, which is that the plea bargain that was negotiated was done not, as plea deals normally are, between the defense and the prosecution–rather, it was negotiated between the presiding official and the defense without the prosecution’s knowledge (Australian’s Plea Deal Was Negotiated Without Prosecutors):
The plea deal that allows Australian David M. Hicks to leave the detention facility here with a nine-month sentence was negotiated between defense attorneys and the convening authority for military commissions without the knowledge of prosecutors, lawyers from both sides said.
The deal shows that the politically appointed authority has the power to personally decide the fate of America’s most notorious terrorism suspects.
[…]
As the deal developed in recent weeks, Air Force Col. Morris Davis, the lead prosecutor for military commissions, and his team on the Hicks case were not in the loop. Davis said he learned about the plea agreement Monday morning when the plea papers were presented to him, and he said the prosecution team was unaware that discussions had been taking place.
“We got it before lunchtime, before the first session,” Davis said at a news conference Friday night. In an interview later, he said the approved sentence of nine months shocked him. “I wasn’t considering anything that didn’t have two digits,” he said, referring to a sentence of at least 10 years.
It is strange, at a minimum, that the prosecution was looking at more than ten years for Hicks and yet the defense was able to get nine months plus time served out of the judge (so to speak).
The outcome isn’t just strange in a procedural sense, but there is a profound suggestion that politics substantially influenced the results. To wit:
Though Australian officials have said they were not directly involved in plea negotiations, Mori declined to answer questions about what, if any, influence they had. Australian Prime Minister John Howard, up for reelection this year, has been under public pressure to bring Hicks home. He turned to Vice President Cheney to implore that the case be resolved.
And, it just so happens that the presiding official who negotiated the plea deal with the defense has direct ties to the Vice President:
[Susan J.] Crawford was the Defense Department’s inspector general from 1989 to 1991, when Cheney was defense secretary.
As such, the following sarcasm appears to be rather warranted:
“What an amazing coincidence that, with an election in Australia by the end of the year, he gets nine months and he is gagged for 12 months from talking about it,” said Australian lawyer Lex Lasry, who was in Cuba to monitor the case over the past week.
So, the case that was supposed to be the “model” of justice under the military tribunals was almost certainly tainted by a political move. Even if one wants to go down the route that states that the administration is trying to help a key ally in the war on terror, the bottom line is that such manipulation of the process wholly undercuts its legitimacy and shows it to be nothing more than a farce.
One also has to wonder how this will affect the morale of the prosecutors in this system if they know that all their work can be undercut by a deal over which they have no influence and can be sprung on them at the last minute.
[…] 04/02/2007 11:32 AM Politics and the Hicks Case Yesterday, WaPo noted an odd aspect of the Hicks case, which is that the plea bargain that was negotiated was done not, as plea deals normally are, between the defense and the prosecution-rather, it was … […]
[…] 04/02/2007 11:32 AM Politics and the Hicks Case Yesterday, WaPo noted an odd aspect of the Hicks case, which is that the plea bargain that was negotiated was done not, as plea deals normally are, between the defense and the prosecution-rather, it was … […]
[…] 04/02/2007 11:32 AM Politics and the Hicks Case Yesterday, WaPo noted an odd aspect of the Hicks case, which is that the plea bargain that was negotiated was done not, as plea deals normally are, between the defense and the prosecution-rather, it was … […]
[…] 04/02/2007 11:32 AM Politics and the Hicks Case Yesterday, WaPo noted an odd aspect of the Hicks case, which is that the plea bargain that was negotiated was done not, as plea deals normally are, between the defense and the prosecution-rather, it was … […]
I must admit that my skepticism is not allayed either, especially with this government’s absent official policy on closing our wide-open southern border.
However, I have a hard time believing this doctor didn’t know what he was doing and to whom he was pledging his allegiance.
Great blog!
Jess
Comment by Jessica — Tuesday, May 22, 2025 @ 10:09 am
I must admit that my skepticism is not allayed either, especially with this government’s absent official policy on closing our wide-open southern border.
Good point. Open borders and homeland security are mutually exclusive.
Comment by Bigfoot — Tuesday, May 22, 2025 @ 1:46 pm